In the fall of 2004, while in New York to cover the Republican National Convention, we ran into David Gergen, the Karl Rove of four presidential administrations.

[Alex Jones]
Okay, one last question. I read a Washington Times article many years ago where you had a comment about the organization and then now it's been in the Wall Street Journal, it's been in a lot of different newspapers, and that's the Bohemian Grove. And back in what was it, 19 uh...96 when you joined as a Clinton advisor. They were, the Republicans were criticizing you, "Oh what about Bohemian Grove?" And then you counter them by saying, "Hey, I don't run around in the woods naked." What'd that mean?

[Alex Jones]
Here is the before mentioned Washington Times article where he said I didn't run around naked like they did.

[David Gergen]
I-I I don't know what quote you're referring to, I'm not aware of any quote like that. Uh, listen, uh, I am...uh, a happy member of Bohemian Grove. I like the folks who come there and uh, it's really inappropriate for me to talk about um, uh, the group beyond that. Thank you.

[Alex Jones]
Have you been there for the ceremony, when the uh, Cremation of Care?

[David Gergen]
Uh...frankly that's uh, I don't think that's something I need to talk to you about.

[Alex Jones]
Really?

[David Gergen]
That's right.

[Alex Jones]
Well I'm Alex Jones and I snuck in there in 2000. I'm the guy that blew it wide open. I got the video; it's been on national TV.

[David Gergen]
Well, I disrespect you for that.

[Alex Jones]
You do?

[David Gergen]
I do.

[Alex Jones]
But it's a lot of big public officials going in there, don't we deserve to know?

[David Gergen]
You, you took an, I don't know anything about you and I don't know anything about your film. But if you go in there with an understanding, you've violated that understanding by releasing that film and I don't respect you for that.

[Alex Jones]
Really?

[David Gergen]
You, you took an understanding when you went in there that you would no do that film, you did, did you have an understanding when you went in there?

[Alex Jones]
No.

[David Gergen]
Did you crash it?

[Alex Jones]
Yes.

[David Gergen]
Yeah and it has no trespassing signs there too, doesn't it?

[Alex Jones]
No, they put one after. I just walked in.

[David Gergen]
I'm sorry, I'm sorry sir, I've been there before, I know what the circumstances are and I'm sorry you violated the understandings. That was not a gentlemanly thing to do.

[Alex Jones]
But what about the ritual? Is the ritual genuinely?

[David Gergen]
Sir, uh, everything that you uh....I-I don't owe you this conversation. You-you-you have done what's called ambush journalism and I disrespect you for that as well. So thank you, goodbye.

[Alex Jones]
Did you ever, the ritual?

[David Gergen]
That's not of your damn business.