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August 11, 2010

The Usual Retorts: Conspiracy Theorists' Top 10 Misconceptions of Debunkers

By Muertos (muertos@gmail.com)

If there’s one perennial truth in the world of conspiracy theories, it’s this: nothing’s ever new.  If you spend even a small amount of time pushing back against conspiracy theories, especially on the Internet, you’ll notice very quickly that conspiracy theorists often respond to you with very similar arguments, and they usually make these arguments sound like they’re making them for the first time.  Conspiracy theorists often have misconceptions—both innocent and sometimes deliberate—about people who don’t share their belief systems, and especially about those who actively refute them.  The purpose of this blog is to expose the reader (whether he or she is a conspiracy theorist or not) to the most popular of these misconceptions, and to address them one by one.

As I said on a previous blog that also used this “top 10 arguments” format, at CS.com we don’t stifle debate—in fact we like it.  However, because so much of dialogue with conspiracy theorists involves hearing and responding to points that have been made ad infinitum previously, often for years on end, there is some value in consolidating some of conspiracy theorists’ top misconceptions about debunkers.  This blog is aimed primarily at people who may be fairly new to the world of conspiracy theories, or those who’ve begun to dip a toe into the waters of critical thinking and argument and want to have some pithy comebacks when a conspiracy theorist throws one of these shopworn clichés at you.  If that describes you, dig in!

The arguments that will be dealt with in this blog are the following:

1.  “You don’t believe in Conspiracy Theory X, Y or Z?  You must love/support/never question the government, then!”

2.  “You don’t believe in conspiracy theories because you’ve been conditioned to trust the mainstream media.”

3.  “Debunkers simply ignore the evidence.”

4.  “Debunkers are biased.” and related “Debunkers are arrogant, always convinced they’re right.”

5.  “Debunkers ignore the fact that some conspiracy theories turn out to be true.”

6.  “You believe everything is a coincidence!”  and related “If I’m a conspiracy theorist, you must be a coincidence theorist!”

7.  “So, you don’t believe there is corruption in government/business/the world?”

8.  “I’m not a conspiracy theorist!  You are a conspiracy theorist!”

9.  “You don’t believe in conspiracy theories because you’ve been brainwashed by vaccines/fluoridated water/RFID chips.”

10.  “You debunk conspiracies because you’re a paid disinformation agent.”

Taking each one of these misconceptions in turn:

1.  “You don’t believe in Conspiracy Theory X, Y or Z?  You must love/support/never question the government, then!”

This is without a doubt the number one misconception that conspiracy theorists harbor about debunkers, and it’s one of their favorite comebacks.  Nearly every conspiracy theorist I’ve ever talked to has deployed this argument in one form or another.  9/11 Truthers particularly love it, since most of them believe at least one government (usually the U.S.’s, but sometimes Israel’s) is responsible for the attacks, and anyone who defends what conspiracy theorists call the “official story” is automatically tarred as a mouthpiece for that evil, corrupt government.

The argument is invalid because it establishes a binary choice.  Either you believe the conspiracy theory 100%, or you believe the government 100%.  There is no in-between.  In the mind of a conspiracy theorist, it’s not possible to question or oppose the government and also deny the validity of conspiracy theories accusing that government of wrongdoing; you’re either enlightened or you’re a shill.  I find this phenomenon interesting because it illustrates the shallowness of conspiracist thinking and also, in a subtle way, the attraction conspiracy theories have for their followers.  Conspiracy theorists like these theories because they separate a complicated world into black and white, good and evil, wrongdoers and the enlightened warriors.  Consequently, if you aren’t willing to stand up and be counted with the enlightened warriors, you may as well cross over to the dark side.  There is no gray area.

The argument also illustrates a clear presupposition of the conspiracist crowd: that the government controls and dominates the information structure, and that the government is the ultimate source of all “official stories” used to explain events that conspiracy theorists question.  This is also a binary choice, dividing the information out there into two diametrically opposed camps, the “official story” and “the truth,” again brooking no possibility of information falling into any other category.  Reality is that the government, at least in the western world, really doesn’t dominate the information structure, and government is rarely the ultimate source of what happened on a given event.  It simply doesn’t occur to conspiracy theorists that facts proving how a particular event, such as 9/11, actually happened can be ascertained from non-governmental, non-“official” sources.

On 9/11, for instance, the government was not the source of the facts we know about that day.  Thousands of people saw with their own eyes the planes strike the towers.  Media outlets from all over the world—including the non-western world—extensively documented what happened.  I remember on 9/11 telephone exchanges and web servers crashed repeatedly because so many people were talking about what happened.  The details that emerged about what happened, especially the identity of the terrorists and their Al-Qaeda affiliations, were in most cases initially reported by non-governmental sources, and in all cases were subsequently verified by media reporting unconnected to governmental investigations.  (For example, 9/11 Truthers routinely ignore the fact that Al-Jazeera, the largest news network in the Islamic world, investigated 9/11 extensively, even going so far as to interview the planners and perpetrators on a documentary program—there’s no way the U.S. government could have had any involvement with this).  Yet, to be asked the question, “Well, you must never question the government, then, do you?” means that conspiracists view an event like 9/11 as having been essentially inexplicable at the moment of its occurrence, and then a sole and unified voice of authority pronounced from on high what the expected interpretation was to be.  In reality that’s not how it happened.

Debunkers question governmental actions all the time.  Personally I believe the war in Iraq was a terrible mistake.  I believe the PATRIOT Act should be repealed.  I believe there’s a case for charging George W. Bush with war crimes.  Those are my personal beliefs.  Yet I am a noted and vociferous critic of 9/11 conspiracy theories.  I’m not atypical either.  One of the best debunkers in America, Vincent Bugliosi, who wrote the all-time best book on the Kennedy assassination which demolishes all the conspiracy theories, went so far as to write a book stating his view that George W. Bush is guilty of murder as a result of the Iraq War.  So to claim that “debunkers always love the government” or “debunkers never question the government” is absurd and insulting.

2.  “You don’t believe in conspiracy theories because you’ve been conditioned to trust the mainstream media.”

This is a species of what I call the Sheeple Argument.  Conspiracy theorists typically have a great deal of contempt for society at large, and assume that most people are complacent zombies with no more intellectual capacity than sheep being led to an abattoir, hence the derisive term “sheeple.”  The “brainwashed by mainstream media” trope is similar to the “you always trust the government” line, but goes a step further by asserting obliquely that major media outlets such as cable news channels, wire services and newspapers are also controlled by the government or the powers that be, and are little more than uncritical loudspeakers carpet-bombing the public with official pronouncements that obscure “what really happened.”

This Sheeple Argument assumes many forms.  I had a conspiracy theorist tell me that I’m incapable of believing anything I didn’t see on CNN, despite the fact that I don’t even watch CNN; I had another one predict that I would eventually sign on to 9/11 Truth when the conspiracy theory was presented to me “by someone you trust.”  A perennial favorite is when conspiracy theorists cite statistics like the number of people who vote for American Idol celebrities versus those who profess to care about national or international issues.  (This assumes that someone who cares about international issues can’t also watch American Idol).

Like argument #1, the departure point for this belief is the assumption that people are incapable of ascertaining facts, of filtering good information from bad, or from distinguishing credible sources from non-credible ones.  Both of these arguments have at the core of their reasoning the certainty that it is the identity of the speaker as opposed to the content of the message that is determinative of peoples’ beliefs.  I seriously doubt this is even close to being as true as conspiracy theorists believe it is.  Why, after all, do some people watch Fox News?  Is it because they trust Glenn Beck so completely—or could it be because they like the content of what Glenn Beck says, and thus expect him to frequently make statements that they like and agree with?  What would happen if Glenn Beck read one of Rachel Maddow's scripts on his show by mistake?  There would be a lot of complaints.  To hear conspiracy theorists tell it, if Glenn Beck says something, anything, his fans believe it unquestioningly.  I can't see Fox News viewers believing Rachel Maddow talking points simply because Glenn Beck says them (or vice-versa).

The “brainwashed by mainstream media” line is also at once a sour-grapes argument, and a breathtaking hypocrisy.  It’s sour-grapes because conspiracy theorists, frustrated at being unable to get respectable large-audience media outlets to endorse nuttery like 9/11 Truth, NWO, ancient astronaut or Apollo moon hoax claims, lash out and deride those media outlets as tainted and untrustworthy, thus elevating fringe media like Alex Jones or Nexus Magazine to higher status.  It’s hypocritical too because conspiracy theorists will seize upon any mainstream media report that they think supports their claims, and that particular media report will be treated as an unimpeachable “smoking gun.”  A famous example is the brain-crushingly stupid claim that the 9/11 hijackers are still alive (we did an article on this subject), where Exhibit A for the Truthers is invariably a BBC news article reporting on mistaken identities in the early days of the 9/11 investigations.  For some reason, that BBC article is gospel truth, but yet BBC as a whole is “mainstream media” whose untrustworthy reporting is part and parcel of brainwashing the sheeple against conspiracy theories.

3.  “Debunkers simply ignore the evidence.”

This argument is deployed in response to a debunker who brushes off any or all of the usually voluminous links to YouTube videos, quote mines, and links to stories on Prison Planet, Infowars or Above Top Secret in support of their conspiracy claims.  Further dismissal of such “evidence” will often elicit a sad shake of the head and a statement like, “There are none so blind as those who will not see,” or some other cliché that attempts to paint the debunker as an arbitrary rejecter shooting from the hip to attack ideas he doesn’t like.

What conspiracy theorists fail to recognize, however, is that, with extremely rare exceptions, there’s nothing new under the sun.  Conspiracy theorists constantly rehash, re-package and re-broadcast the same old tired theories, often genuinely unaware of how old and tired they are.  9/11 theories are especially threadbare.  Almost all of the main conspiracy theories regarding 9/11 involve some sort of “controlled demolition” claim, which has been widely circulating at least since Thierry Meyssan’s 2002 book 9-11: The Big Lie, and most likely before.  All of the usual bits of “evidence” pointing to a 9/11 conspiracy—squibs, Pentagon wreckage, free-fall claims, hijackers-still-alive, Willy Rodriguez, the “pull it” quote, etc.—were well-established gag lines in the 9/11 Truth movement no later than 2003.  Indeed, the only significant 9/11 theory that I’m aware of that’s newer than 2005 is Dr. Judy Wood’s ludicrous assertion that Star Trek-style beam weapons blew up the World Trade Center towers.  It’s all been done, and it’s all been debunked.  Repeatedly.

Of what utility is it, then, that Jesse Ventura gave an interview last week where he speculates (again) that 9/11 was a “controlled demolition?”  He’s not presenting anything new.  Is a YouTube clip of Alex Jones warning, on last night’s show, that we’re all going to be herded into FEMA camps soon anything new?  He’s been making that same claim for years.  Am I ignoring “evidence” by not watching the latest David Icke video?  I already know what David Icke has to say.  It’s as crazy in 2010 as it was in 1991.  Nothing new under the sun.

Yet, to conspiracy theorists, every new video, every new Alex Jones film, every new Infowars story is freshly-minted “proof” of a conspiracy, even though it’s just a new take on a very old theory.  Many conspiracy theorists we deal with on CS.com are quite young and have only recently fallen into the paranoid fold.  They probably don’t even know who Thierry Meyssan is, or that Erich von Däniken has been pushing his ancient astronaut crap since at least 1968.  These days you can even run into Truthers who have never seen Loose Change because it was before their time.  So when someone today repeats the claim made in Loose Change that 9/11 was done to steal gold underneath the Twin Towers, a lot of conspiracy theorists think this is genuinely new.  They vomit up this “new” evidence to debunkers, and are puzzled why the brush-off is so quick.

In addition to this myopia, conspiracy theorists are prone to a technique called “slamming.”  That is, they post vast multitudes of links, usually to YouTube videos, in rows as endlessly inexorable as the legions of battle droids in a Star Wars film, and insist that if you, the debunker, don’t refute every single point made in every single one of those videos, you are “ignoring the evidence.”  It’s a Sisyphian game if you do manage to refute every point, because then the conspiracy theorist will say, “Oh yeah?  What about these?” and then slam you again with a huge spate of links.  This moving-the-goalpost behavior is very common among conspiracy theorists, but unfortunately they take debunkers’ unwillingness to sit through the same YouTube video for the 67th time this week, electing instead to go spend time with their kids, as “proof” that the debunker can’t refute the claims made in it.  Thus, some especially tiresome tidbits achieve the cachet, in conspiracy circles, of being “undebunkable.”

This argument, like the last one, is also ironic.  I have never seen a 9/11 Truther comprehensively refute the NIST Report, for instance.  Usually it’s a hit-and-run job like “Oh, well, the NIST is part of the government, so you can’t trust it,” or “we already know that jet fuel doesn’t burn hot enough to melt steel.”  So the slamming technique is ultimately hypocritical—as is argument #3.

4.  “Debunkers are biased.” and related “Debunkers are arrogant, always convinced they’re right.”

The “bias” argument is fairly common, and is one usually leveled at websites such as this or other written pieces that (conspiracy theorists think) are somehow analogous to news sources.  The argument goes that debunkers can’t see the truth because they’re blinded by “bias” against conspiracy theories, and that even if evidence is presented to show a particular conspiracy theory is true, they wouldn’t be able to see it because of this bias.

This argument toes the line between source/credibility arguments and what I call the epistemological objections to debunking, which quickly veer off into philosophical tangents like, “What do we really know?” and “How can we really know a particular fact is true?”  Conspiracy theorists who use the bias argument start from what seems at first like a rational departure point, that everything, even conspiracy theories, must stand or fall on the strength of the evidence available to support it, and that evidence should be considered afresh in all cases.  However, once you accept this rational view, the conspiracy theorist almost always starts slamming you with the same YouTube, Prison Planet, Infowars and Above Top Secret links that we saw in argument #3 and claiming that these things are evidence—and you’re right back to the “Well, how do you know Alex Jones is wrong?” discussion.

Facts have no bias.  The facts of what happened on 9/11 do not care whether they point to Osama bin Laden, or to George W. Bush, or to Britney Spears.  The facts of the Kennedy assassination do not care whether they finger Lee Harvey Oswald, Lyndon Johnson or the Beatles.  If the facts indicated that 9/11 really was an “inside job,” as strongly as the facts in real life indicate that it was not, then the conclusion that 9/11 was an “inside job” would be every bit as inescapable as the conclusion that Osama did it is in the real world.  If George W. Bush really did do 9/11, the facts would indicate that, and anyone who claimed that Osama bin Laden was really behind it would be a conspiracy theorist.  But they don’t.  The facts demonstrate Osama did it.  Don’t blame the facts if they lead to a conclusion you don’t like.

Not all purported facts are equal, either.  Many are misconceptions, distortions, mistakes, or outright lies.  You may have heard that 4,000 Jews were warned to stay home on 9/11.  That is not a fact; it is a lie.  How do we know it’s a lie?  Because there’s no evidence to support it, and there is a great deal of credible evidence to contradict it.  Yet, lurking under the surface of the “you’re biased!” argument is a tacit assumption by the conspiracy theorist that if you don’t treat false claims and innuendo the same way as you do verifiable facts, you’re somehow being unfair.  Bias doesn’t work that way.  It never has, but this is something most conspiracy theorists have a particular difficulty understanding.

The “debunkers are arrogant” argument is not much different.  If you present a fact and can legitimately back it up, it is not arrogant to assert the truth of this fact and deny that conflicting claims are factual.  I use the George Washington example.  I know that George Washington was the first President of the United States.  If asked to, I can prove that fact is true.  If there is some poor sap out there who believes for whatever reason that Calvin Coolidge was the first President of the United States, my insistence that he is wrong is not me being unfair to him.  It’s asserting what is true and what is false.  This isn’t arrogance.  It’s reality!

5.  “Debunkers ignore the fact that some conspiracy theories turn out to be true.”

I love this one.  Ask, “Oh yeah?  Which ones?” and I can virtually guarantee that the list rattled off by the conspiracy theorist will contain (a) the Reichstag fire; (b) Operation Northwoods; and (c) MKULTRA.

This answer looks unimpeachable at first glance.  However, first impressions can be deceiving.  These aren’t conspiracy theories—nor are the others the conspiracy theorist is likely to mention, such as Iran-Contra, Enron, Watergate, COINTELPRO, the 1953 Iranian coup, or the ouster of Allende in Chile in the 1970s.

Conspiracy theorists almost always conflate and confuse real examples of government or corporate secrecy or wrongdoing with perceived examples.  They ignore the differences, which are important.  To them, the fact that anybody, anywhere in government suggested or successfully took a covert or illegal action makes it more likely that someone must have in some other case—even if the transgression in the past is proven, and the one the conspiracy theorist believes happened is not.  There’s also a difference in scale and result.  If the CIA did something that was dishonest 50 years ago that was comparatively minor in scope and didn’t result in any deaths or crimes being committed, a conspiracy theorist will use the small long-ago transgression to “demonstrate” that it’s likely the CIA would be willing to commit murder or criminal activity on a vast scale.

Let’s take an example.  Conspiracy theorists love Operation Northwoods.  This was a plan proposed by some military brass in a 1962 document which would have had the CIA fake terrorist incidents and blame them on Cuban forces, thus building public support for U.S. military action against Cuba.  President John F. Kennedy rejected the plan out of hand and the officer who suggested it was later relieved of his command.  The document was not declassified until 1998.

Why is this not a conspiracy theory?  Well, first off, it was rejected; it never got off the ground.  Second, it was not even known about until the 1990s.  It’s not like some conspiracy theorists were sitting around in 1962, batting scenarios around and someone said, “Hmm, you know, I bet the CIA is planning to stage false-flag attacks against the U.S. to justify an invasion of Cuba!” and then magically, 36 years later, a document drops out of the sky that proves this speculation was correct all along.  The real conspiracy (to do what?  Type up a memo and give it to the President?) was over and done with in 1962 and was a dead issue long before conspiracy theorists ever found out about it.  What it “proves” about conspiracy theories is exactly nothing.

Similarly, the other trope conspiracy theorists love to use, the Reichstag fire, wasn’t even a conspiracy, much less a conspiracy theory.  In February 1933 the Reichstag was set ablaze by Marinus van der Lubbe in an act of arson.  It was not a false flag operation, and there is considerable evidence that van der Lubbe acted alone.  The Nazi Party made hay out of the incident while they were trying to gain power in Germany, but that does not mean they did it.  This not an example of a “conspiracy theory that came true.”  It’s not even relevant to conspiracy theories.  But for some bizarre reason conspiracy theorists trot it out on cue every time argument #5 makes an appearance.

Real-life conspiracies are much different than the fantasy plots that conspiracy theorists imagine exist.  Iran-Contra, Enron, Watergate and the others were all very small plots with very few participants; in all cases there were whistleblowers, in none of those cases were any lives lost, and none of these conspiracies were even suspected before there was ample evidence to support their existence.  In Watergate, for example, investigators knew there was a White House connection the very first night the Watergate burglars were arrested.  Similarly, there were no conspiracy theories floating around about secret government mind control experiments before MKULTRA was revealed, at least none that I’m aware of.  Real conspiracies always leave convincing and unmistakable evidence in their wake.  Conspiracy theories are unsupported by evidence.

I am not aware of any conspiracy theory that was postulated first without evidence and then later “turned out to be true.”  That’s not how conspiracies work in the real world.  Conspiracy theorists haven’t learned this yet.

6.  “You believe everything is a coincidence!” and related “If I’m a conspiracy theorist, you must be a coincidence theorist!”

Dwelling as they do in a binary world of black-and-white extremes, conspiracy theorists believe that the polar opposite of devious design is innocent coincidence.  Thus, if you don’t believe in conspiracy theories, you must believe in coincidences.

The simple answer is: yes, we do.  However, that’s not the end of the story.  Conspiracy theorists don’t understand how coincidences really work, so it’s not surprising that they misuse the concept to try to prove that their detractors are gullible dupes who'll believe anything.

Let’s say I’m a Wall Street day trader.  Today I get up and have a hunch that Acme Airlines is going to decline tomorrow.  I sell my 50,000 shares of Acme Airlines and pocket the money.  Tomorrow, an Acme Airlines jumbo jet crashes killing 300 people.  The investigation indicates massive negligence on behalf of the company, and Acme Airlines’ stock becomes worthless.  The fact that I sold my stock the day before the crash is a coincidence.  To a conspiracy theorist, however, it’s “evidence” that I must be behind the crash, because to them the chances are too wild that someone who stood to gain from Acme’s misfortune would happen to pick that day to sell their stock.

However, what if I woke up yesterday and decided to sell shares of ABC Co. instead of Acme?  Acme would still have crashed without any help from me, and then I wouldn’t have gained anything because my stock would have gone down the same as all other Acme shareholders.  No one would care about me, and I wouldn’t be a “suspect” in conspiracy theorists’ eyes.  Or, if I sold the stock but Acme didn’t crash, for the same reason nobody would care.  The type of decision I made with respect to the Acme case--the decision to sell stock or stand pat--is something I do every day as a Wall Street trader, and it's not noteworthy or unusual at all.  It is only the unforseeable fluke of the Acme plane crash the next day that somehow transforms my unremarkable decision, the type of thing I would do every day if I was in that business, into a "wild coincidence" that seems so farfetched that there's no way it could have happened unless I had "foreknowledge" of the crash.

Let’s take another example, also involving a plane crash.  Let’s assume that the average odds of dying in a plane crash from any cause—pilot error, equipment malfunction, terrorist incident, bad weather, etc.—are 1 in 1,000,000.  That is, every time anyone steps on a plane anywhere in the world, their odds of not making it to their destination alive are 1 in 1,000,000.  (In reality the odds of dying in a plane crash are much smaller than that, because many millions of people travel by plane every week with comparatively few crashes, but assume these numbers just to make them easy).

Now take a specific person.  Let’s say he’s a U.S. Senator.  Furthermore, he’s a U.S. Senator who is known as very progressive and very anti-war.  Further still, he is running for re-election.  Even beyond that, the election is in only a few days.  Even beyond that, a key issue in this election is this Senator’s stance on a potential war that many believe is soon to begin.

Suppose this man, in these specific circumstances, sets foot on an airplane a few days before an election.  Under these circumstances, what are the odds the Senator won’t get to his destination alive?

Simple: 1 in 1,000,000, just the same as anybody else.  His specific circumstances and the timing of his journey, however extraordinary, make no difference whatsoever to the probability that he will survive his trip or die on the way.  If he traveled as an average joe in the middle of July, his chances of getting off that plane in a body bag are still 1 in 1,000,000.

Of course, the circumstance I’m describing is the October 2002 situation of Minnesota Senator Paul Wellstone, who was unlucky and died in a plane crash days before the elections in which the impending invasion of Iraq was a major political issue.  Despite absolutely no evidence of foul play—the cause of the crash was pilot error—I had conspiracy theorists tell me at the time that it had to have been a veiled assassination, because “what are the chances?  That can’t be a coincidence!”

Evidently, conspiracy theorists believe that extraneous circumstances—whether a person is a prominent politician, whether a war is about to start, how far it is from an election, and what the politician’s stance on that potential war is—can somehow magically make it so much less likely that a plane crash could happen from accidental circumstances as the same thing could result from foul play.  Mind you, this is in the total absence of evidence that the Wellstone crash was rigged.  Conspiracy theorists would have you believe that probabilities alone suffice to prove a conspiracy, and can replace that absence of evidence, because “What are the chances?!?!?”

Probabilities are never evidence.  Conspiracy theorists need to quit pretending that probabilities alone can replace actual evidence of a conspiracy.  This is one of the stupidest arguments employed by conspiracy theorists, scraping the ultimate bottom of an already very deep abyss of logical fallacy and non sequitur.

7.  “So, you don’t believe there is corruption in government/business/the world?”

This is a variation of argument #1, and doesn’t require much discussion beyond what I’ve already said about it.  It’s a very similar binary choice: either you believe in conspiracy theories, or you believe all is right with the world, governments and corporations never commit any form of malfeasance and you cannot believe that evil exists anywhere in the world.

Of course, this argument is insulting to the intelligence.  Yes, corruption does occur in governments and corporations, as it does in all human enterprises.  Yes, bad people sometimes do bad things.  But belief in this truth of human nature does not translate, automatically and inextricably, into belief in conspiracy theories.  To suggest that non-believers in conspiracy theories must disbelieve them because they can’t bring themselves to envision corruption or malfeasance in any sphere is utterly absurd.

And, not to get philosophical about it, but not all evil is created equal.  Bernie Madoff is one of the most notorious criminals of our time.  He bilked many people of their life savings and destroyed the lives of many of them.  He did it for profit and evidently without any remorse.  Bernie Madoff is corrupt, and evil at least on some level.

However, what if Bernie Madoff was not the administrator of a Ponzi scheme, but say a CIA operative?  Suppose some pointy-headed conspirators came to him and said, “Hey Bernie, we’ve got this secret plan to blow up the World Trade Centers and kill thousands of people, and we need your help to do it.  Are you in?”  What’s to say Bernie Madoff wouldn’t reply, “No way.  I draw the line at that!”  Just because people are corrupt, steal money, forge documents, or endorse nefarious plans, doesn’t mean that they’re cold-blooded megalomaniacal killers willing and able to bathe in the blood of thousands of innocent people.  Conspiracy theorists often assume that all forms of malfeasance or corruption are equal.  They’re not.  As usual, human nature is far more complicated than their simplistic black-and-white categories.

8.  “I’m not a conspiracy theorist!  You are a conspiracy theorist!”

This argument is classic projection.  Most conspiracy theorists deeply resent being called conspiracy theorists.  (I recently had a believer in Judy Wood’s 9/11 space beams tell me, “I am not a conspiracy theorist!”)  They’ll do anything to squirm out from under the label or, better yet, twist the label 180 degrees and use it as a weapon against the debunker.  This leads to some interesting argumentative acrobatics, particularly when conspiracy theorists start playing games with the definition of “conspiracy theorist.”

One of the most common formulations of this argument is to claim that debunkers are themselves conspiracy theorists, because they believe in “official conspiracy theories,” such as the “official story” of 9/11.  So the reasoning goes, because debunkers believe that Osama bin Laden and his Al-Qaeda hijackers conspired to crash planes into the World Trade Center and the Pentagon, we therefore believe in a “conspiracy theory” that is indistinguishable from Truthers’ flights of fancy except for the fact that the “official conspiracy theory” bears the imprimatur of government or mainstream endorsement.  The purpose of this argument is to confuse people into believing that conspiracy theories and the “official story” are essentially equal co-claimants on the truth, and that conspiracy theories have no less chance of being true than does the “official story.”

What they fail to understand is that conspiracy theories are different than facts.  Yes, what happened on 9/11 was a conspiracy, hatched by Osama bin Laden, Khalid Sheikh Mohammed and other Al-Qaeda terrorists.  However, there are plenty of facts to support this belief.  It is not a theory, it is a fact.  A conspiracy theory is the fantastic notion that the WTC towers were blown up by secret explosives or science-fiction beam weapons.  It’s a theory because there are no facts that support it.  There is no such thing as an “official conspiracy theory.”  There is the truth, which is supported by facts, and there are theories, which are supported by speculation.  They are not equal co-claimants on the truth.  One is truth, and the other is garbage.

The difference between a debunker and a conspiracy theorist is very simple.   The debunker believes in facts, evidence, logic and supported conclusions.  The conspiracy theorist believes in fantasy, supposition, conjecture, innuendo and jumping to unwarranted conclusions.  Conspiracy theorists never like to hear this and they never will, and this paragraph will probably generate more hate mail than any other part of this essay.  (You can send it to muertos@gmail.com).  But, harsh or not, it is the truth.

9.  “You don’t believe in conspiracy theories because you’ve been brainwashed by vaccines/fluoridated water/RFID chips.”

This is another form of Sheeple Argument, and if you hear it from someone, you can be sure that person is very deep in the clutches of almost pathological paranoia.  It’s almost futile to point out that there’s not a shred of evidence that fluoridated water causes “brainwashing,” or that RFID chips are being implanted into people without their knowledge.  If you ask a conspiracy theorist for “evidence” that these things are true, you’ll almost certainly get Alex Jones clips or articles, or other super-paranoid doom-and-gloom scenarios that often also involve wild claims about vaccinations, forced population reduction, etc., usually masterminded by imaginary organizations like “the NWO” or “the Illuminati.”

It is difficult to push back against these arguments because they’re so irrational.  Anyone who is so delusional as to believe that fluoridated water or RFID chips cause “brainwashing” is not likely to be persuaded by the total absence of evidence that either of these things are true.  For more than 50 years the effects of fluoride in water have been studied, and not once has any evidence surfaced to the effect that it “brainwashes” people.  I find it amusing that when this argument is made conspiracy theorists exempt themselves from the “brainwashing” effect, when they presumably drink the same water as the rest of us, but maybe the theta rays emanating from Alex Jones broadcasts and Jeff Rense’s website somehow counteract the effect of fluoridated water.  Nevertheless, all you can do is scoff at this argument.  You can’t do much more.

10.  “You debunk conspiracies because you’re a paid disinformation agent.”

This is very similar to #9, but the difference is it’s not a Sheeple claim, where debunkers are assumed to be “brainwashed” and “asleep” whether through willful ignorance or victimization by the same mind control techniques that conspiracy theorists sometimes believe are used on everyone.  Instead, this version of the argument is a direct accusation that the debunker is themselves part of the conspiracy.  This argument was recently used against me on an Internet forum where I was accused of being a member of “Project Vigilance,” supposedly a government-funded effort to recruit bloggers and other cyberspace warriors to debunk conspiracy theories and tar their believers as nutjobs not worthy of serious attention.

Personally, I find this argument both humorous and sad.  It’s humorous because the notion that our government (or anyone’s government) has nothing better to do with taxpayer money than to pay people like me to post on the Internet debunking 9/11 beam weapons, FEMA camps and reptile people is utterly fantastic.  It’s sad because it shows not only the depths of paranoia at which conspiracy theorists live their lives, but also the ridiculous sense of self-importance that they gain from their belief in such theories.  How could some guy posting on Internet message forums from his basement in suburban Chicago really be a threat to a power structure so omnipotent and powerful that it keeps secret beam weapons on hand for events like 9/11 and can cause earthquakes in Haiti from hundreds of miles away by using HAARP?  The truly paranoid conspiracy theorists like to cast themselves in movie roles, like the heroic Neo in the movie The Matrix: an ordinary guy who somehow “wakes up” to a hidden truth, and then fights the good fight against all odds to bring that truth to others.  In such a simplistic story there have to be villains.  Argument #10 unequivocally casts debunkers in the role of villains.  It also provides an easy excuse for ignoring anything they have to say: because they’re paid disinformation agents, naturally everything they say is a lie.

For the record, I don’t get paid for writing these articles.  I’ve never been paid, nor offered, a single dime for any debunking activity I’ve ever done.  Twisted as it may sound, I do this because I enjoy it, and because I feel that combating illogic and promoting critical thinking is a worthwhile activity.  I also feel conspiracy theories are dangerous both to reason and to political discourse.  There’s also something of the contrarian in me: the vast majority of material on the Internet regarding conspiracy theories is pro-conspiracy.  There’s a very small minority of sites and sources that devote considerable attention to refuting these ridiculous conspiracy theories.  I just want people to do a search for “9/11” and not have eight links to Truther sites pop up in their first ten search results.  It’d be nice for them to get the facts for a change.  That’s why I do this.

It occurs to me as I write this blog that perhaps the idea that someone would debunk for free, and for enjoyment, is even more offensive to conspiracy theorists than the notion that they would do it for money at the government’s behest.  I mean, if your world view is so ignorant and illogical that people are actually offended by it to the point where they’ll take to the Net to refute you year after year, you perhaps ought to rethink your world view!

Conclusion

There’s very rarely anything new in conspiracy-land.  Almost everything conspiracy theorists throw at you is something that’s been around for years, or even decades, in one form or another.  On the one hand it’s comforting to know that the fact that conspiracy theories are still regarded by most people as fringe kooky stuff means that the sheer power of repetition will not serve to improve conspiracy theorists’ fortunes in the future, at least until some real evidence of their claims surfaces; but on the other hand it’s depressing to have to hack away at the same silly arguments that were debunked years ago which are still being repeated as if there was something new.  The ten arguments listed in this blog aren’t going away.  I’m sure I’ll be hearing them as long as I maintain an interest in conspiracy theories.  But since other debunkers will doubtless hear them too, I thought that corralling them and analyzing them is a worthwhile task.

[ Please discuss this article on the forums. ]

July 18, 2010

The Sacred List: An Illustration of the Illogic of Conspiracy Theorists

By Muertos (muertos@gmail.com)

If you spend any time at all listening to the arguments of conspiracy theorists, particularly 9/11 Truthers, sooner or later you’ll encounter the “Sacred List” argument.  This phenomenon, which was given its name by the terrific bloggers over at Screw Loose Change, is a staple of conspiracy theorizing, but once you begin to delve into it you see how pathetically stupid and illogical it is.  It’s worth a blog post both because Sacred List arguments are extremely common in conspiracist circles, and also because it helps illustrate in graphic detail how profoundly disconnected from logic and reality conspiracy theorists are.

What is a Sacred List argument?

A Sacred List argument is a type of supposed discrepancy or anomaly in one official record or another that conspiracy theorists claim indicates holes in an “official story” or some other truth that conspirators are trying to cover up.  Because conspiracy theorists rarely if ever have any coherent beginning-to-end narrative of what they think happened, their entire basis for argument depends on discrepancies; consequently, perceived anomalies are very important to them.  What defines a Sacred List argument, however, is that whatever the conspiracy theorists claim the anomaly is, logically it would have been extremely easy for the alleged conspirators to change or falsify it—and the act of doing so would be child’s play compared to the magnitude of other acts that theorists claim the conspirators committed.

This description of a Sacred List argument doesn’t really jell until you peruse some examples.

Examples of Sacred List Arguments

1.  “The 9/11 hijackers aren’t on any of the flight manifests.”

This is the classic paradigm of the Sacred List, and is frequently pushed by arch-Truthers like David Ray Griffin and Killtown (example here).  Because purported passenger lists of the planes hijacked on 9/11 do not contain the names of the hijackers (or “alleged hijackers,” as 9/11 Truthers say), to them this is a piece of “evidence” indicating that there were no hijackers, or no persons with Arabic names, aboard the planes.

2.  “Bin Laden has never been indicted for 9/11.”

Truthers claim (example here) that because no U.S. court has issued an indictment of Osama bin Laden for conceiving and directing the 9/11 attacks, this is “evidence” indicating that he didn’t do it.  Usually the perceived rationale behind this move is that if bin Laden was indicted, captured and brought to trial, he would present evidence of his innocence of 9/11, which the conspirators obviously do not want to happen.

3.  “9/11 does not even appear on Bin Laden’s FBI Wanted poster!”

This is a variation of #2 above.  Because the official FBI’s “Wanted” bulletin on Osama bin Laden (here) does not mention the September 11 attacks, this is more “evidence” indicating that he did not do it, or at least that the FBI’s claims of evidence linking bin Laden to 9/11 is shaky or faulty.  (Example of this argument).

4.  “Barbara Olson/Todd Beamer/other noted 9/11 victims are not listed on the Social Security Death Index.”

Barbara Olson is one of the more well-known victims of 9/11, not merely because she is one of the people who is known to have made telephone calls from Flight 77 (more on that later) but also because she was married to Ted Olson, former solicitor general of the United States.  Truthers have scoured the Social Security Death Index for anomalies, and found that Barbara Olson is not listed there.  Jim Fetzer, a notorious 9/11 Truther, has used this argument (example here).  Supposedly this means that Barbara Olson isn’t dead.  This jives with some Truthers’ theories that Flight 77 did not crash near Shanksville, PA, that it was secretly diverted and passengers taken off (and then what happened to them?), or even that Flight 77 was not hijacked at all.  Similar claims have occasionally been made regarding other 9/11 victims.

5.  “Records of phone calls made to Ted Olson show that Barbara could not have called him from Flight 77, as the official story goes.”

More Barbara Olson lore, this one focusing specifically on her calls to her husband as Flight 77 was headed toward its fiery doom in Shanksville.  (This argument is sometimes employed with regard to other victims too, but the Truthers love to pick on Barbara Olson for some reason).  Supposedly, “evidence” of phone records shows discrepancies regarding the calls received when compared with those the “official story” maintains happened.  David Ray Griffin is the source of this argument (here) but it’s been widely repeated in Truther circles.  This is a subspecies of the various conspiracist arguments that the phone calls could not have been possible at all (the “cell-phone-versus-Airfone” debate), which supposedly proves that the evil gubbermint used “voice-morphing technology” to fake the calls.

6.  “The flags in U.S. courtrooms usually have gold fringes.  A gold-fringed flag is a military flag, and the presentation of a military flag in a civil courtroom means that the U.S. civil courts are actually under military control.”

This is a non-9/11 related example, and comes from the milieu of the militia/patriot/sovereign citizen movement.  Supposedly, the fringe on flags in courtrooms is of great significance, and can mean only that courts who use these flags are actually under military control—which conspiracy theorists usually intend to mean that “civil government” was overthrown by the military some time in the past.  (Example here).  This does not involve a list, but I classify this as a Sacred List argument because in this case the flag in the courtroom is the equivalent of the list that is, in conspiracists’ minds, a telltale indicator of “what really happened.”

Why Sacred List Arguments Are Stupid

To those reluctant to use critical thinking, Sacred List arguments are easily turned into “smoking guns.”  But they’re stupid because of one central reason: what do the conspirators possibly have to lose by simply altering the lists?

Think about it.  Assume you’re one of the masterminds of 9/11.  You’re out there killing people, faking plane hijackings, and blowing up some of the largest buildings on Earth.  You’re covering it up every which way, sparing no expense to do so.  With all of this power at your disposal, and with your obvious willingness to violate the law with impunity, how much trouble would it be to simply fake a list or other official document?

Let’s see how this works as applied to the examples I gave.

1.  Flight Manifests.

The 9/11 hijackers supposedly don’t appear on the official flight manifests.  Okay—how hard would it have been to simply fake those manifests, and release ones that do include the hijackers’ names?  The real explanation for the “hijackers aren’t on the manifests” phenomenon is that 9/11 Truthers have repeatedly and deliberately confused lists of the victims of 9/11 with official passenger manifests.  (See discussion on this confusion here).  The hijackers weren’t victims, they were perpetrators; and furthermore, if you do look at what are the real passenger manifests (you can download the one from Flight 77 here) you will find the hijackers on them.

Really, how stupid is this argument?  If the supposed absence of hijackers was really a “smoking gun,” wouldn’t the powers-that-be have simply corrected the lists?  If they’ve already murdered 3,000 innocent people, why would they stop at forging a passenger manifest?  Yet, conspiracy theorists ask to you believe that the conspirators either were afraid of doing that, for whatever reason, or that they were so incompetent that they just let it slip—and have not tried to correct the slip-up in 9 years.

2.  Bin Laden’s Indictment.

Bin Laden hasn’t been indicted for 9/11.  That is true.  Why hasn’t he been?  Because virtually the only chance of catching bin Laden, who is believed to be hiding in Waziristan (a remote section of Pakistan), is by the intercession of U.S. military forces—and the U.S. wants to try bin Laden as an enemy combatant under a military tribunal.  (See discussion on this issue here).  If he’s indicted for 9/11, by, for instance, the federal court in the Southern District of New York, where the World Trade Center attacks happened, he would be subject to prosecution by that civilian court.  It is also standard practice for federal suspects wanted for many crimes to be subject to only one indictment for an earlier crime; meaning, as they commit more crimes, authorities usually do not keep adding indictments piecemeal, one for each crime.  Bin Laden was indicted for the 1996 terrorist bombings in Africa.  That was years before 9/11.

This is a quite common practice, by the U.S. as well as others.  Mobster Al Capone wasn’t convicted and jailed for the St. Valentine’s Day Massacre or any of his other infamous crimes; he landed at Alcatraz for tax evasion.  Saddam Hussein was tried and executed under Iraqi law not for his most infamous crimes—the invasion of Kuwait, or the chemical bombing of Kurdish towns in 1988—but rather, for a much more obscure offense, a series of assassinations in 1982 that few outside of Iraq had ever heard of.  Serial killers are rarely indicted for all their suspected crimes.  Where a suspect has a number of crimes to his or her name, a prosecutor has a wide range of charges to choose from.

In short, it has nothing to do with a supposed dearth of evidence.  It has everything to do with prosecutorial strategy regarding how, and particularly where, a suspect is indicted.

Personally, as a former attorney, I disagree with the decision not to indict Osama for 9/11.  I believe he should be charged with that crime, and, even if captured alive by the military, I think he should be tried in a civilian court.  It is interesting to note that other 9/11 figures, such as Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, have been indicted and will be tried in civilian courts.  I would think it likely that, if (God willing) Osama is captured, he will eventually be indicted for 9/11—probably after he’s already been found guilty by a military tribunal.

Note that on the FBI’s page listing its most wanted terrorists, including bin Laden it specifically says:

“The indictments currently listed on the posters allow them to be arrested and brought to justice. Future indictments may be handed down as various investigations proceed in connection to other terrorist incidents, for example, the terrorist attacks on September 11, 2001.” (emphasis added)

If bin Laden was truly innocent, and the people behind 9/11 really wanted to frame him, how hard would it be to come up with a phony indictment?  They wouldn’t even need to rig a grand jury; they’d just present them trumped-up evidence indicating his guilt.  This would be the first thing the conspirators would have done after 9/11! If it was a frame-up, how could they possibly have let something like this slip through the cracks?  Once again, as with all Sacred List arguments, conspirators want you to believe either that (A) the conspirators, having committed all sorts of other heinous crimes, stopped short at the relatively easy step of securing a phony indictment; or (B) the conspirators were so careless as to allow this oversight, which has not been corrected after nearly 9 years.

3.  Bin Laden’s Wanted Poster

This is pretty much the same story as the indictment.  The FBI does not listed unindicted charges on wanted posters; that’s been the Bureau’s policy for a long time.  (Discussion here).  Once again, if 9/11 was a conspiracy, how hard or dangerous would it be to come up with a phony wanted poster?  Is there any possible way that the conspirators would have overlooked this, or would have feared doing that, which is far dwarfed by the other crimes the 9/11 Truthers claim they committed?

4.  Barbara Olson’s Absence from the Death Index.

There are a number of reasons why Barbara Olson and other passengers don’t show up on the SSDI.  They may not have been involved with the Social Security program; their deaths may not have been officially reported to the Social Security bureau; or their survivors may still be receiving death benefits (the most likely explanation).  The SSDI is not, and never purported to be, a comprehensive list either of all deaths in the U.S., or of the deaths of all persons in the U.S. who had Social Security numbers.  You can see a detailed explanation of these exclusions, and specifically with regard to 9/11 victims, here.

But again, as with the passenger lists and wanted poster, how hard would it have been for conspirators to put phony names on the SSDI?  Why would they, after having either murdered Barbara Olson outright or at least faked her death (and sent her someplace where she has never been seen anywhere in the world since September 2001), have blanched at adding her name to the SSDI?

This argument makes no sense at all, and is one of the more laughable ones employed by Truthers.

5.  Barbara Olson’s Phone Records.

You know the drill by now.  If the phone records show that Barbara Olson didn’t phone her husband from Flight 77, how hard would it have been for the conspirators to plant phony phone records that did show she called him?  And why would they have chosen not to take this step, if it was so easy?

In fact, 9/11 Truthers are simply lying about Barbara Olson’s phone records.  You can see the records of the calls reproduced here as well as a lengthy discussion of the issue.  The records do show that she called her husband from Flight 77.  Evidence to the contrary is totally false.

6.  Gold-Fringed Flag

The presence of gold fringe on an American flag is purely ceremonial, and has absolutely no substantive significance.   That it means anything, much less military jurisdiction, is a total myth.  This myth has been tried in various court proceedings, and hammered down brutally every single time.  Tax protestors love this argument, but they’ve never won on it.  In fact, even making the argument in court is a sanctionable offense—meaning, it’s so stupid that a judge will fine you for insulting his or her intelligence by bringing it up.

But even if it was true, how hard would it be for the secret military government of the United States to issue an edict to all its courts saying, “Whatever you do, don’t hang a fringed flag in your courtroom”?  Especially if that argument could successfully release someone from the obligation of paying taxes, why on earth would the government not close that loophole and save itself millions a year in lost tax revenue?  Of the Sacred List arguments, the gold-fringed flag is by far the silliest.

Conclusion

Conspiracy theorists love Sacred List arguments, but they universally employ them without understanding how ludicrous they really are.  Truthers really want you to believe that a cabal of conspirators who killed thousands of innocent people were either too careless or too scared to fake passenger lists, phone records and other documents; tax protestors really want you to believe that the “military government” of the U.S. attaches such symbolic importance to the fringe on a courtroom flag that they are willing to let defendants escape justice and people renege on tax obligations so as to preserve it.  Do these make any sense at all?

Sacred List arguments are among the most easily debunked of all conspiracy claims.  The next time someone tells you that the FBI admits it has no evidence connecting bin Laden to 9/11, ask them how stupid they think the conspirators really are.  Chances are the answer won’t make any sense—just like the Sacred List arguments themselves.

May 28, 2010

Why Conspiracy Theorists Love YouTube

Conspiracy Theorists, YouTube and Anti-Intellectualism

By Muertos (muertos@gmail.com)

If you argue with conspiracy theorists on the Internet for even a short period of time, you’ll notice one thing very quickly: they love YouTube.  It’s extremely rare to carry on any sort of “debate” with a conspiracy theorist of any stripe—9/11 Truther, moon hoaxer, global warming denier, what-have-you—and not see the CT post at least one, and usually more, links to videos on YouTube supposedly validating their position.  In fact, in terms of sheer volume of the “evidence” posted by conspiracy theorists, YouTube appears to be their primary source of information.  Furthermore, most of them simply can’t understand why not everybody is immediately persuaded by something on YouTube, and if you push back against their arguments, you’ll invariably get still more YouTube links.  In the paranoid world of conspiracy theories, YouTube is evidently the ultimate oracle of all knowledge.  This blog will attempt to examine why conspiracy theorists love YouTube so much, and how their passion for this website relates to a strong and disturbing undercurrent in the conspiracist worldview: anti-intellectualism.

Don’t get me wrong, YouTube is a great communication tool.  With the ubiquity of video cameras these days, it’s a fine way to connect with people, get the word out about various things, and also have fun.  (ConspiracyScience has a YouTube channel here: http://www.youtube.com/user/conspiracyscience and I have a personal YouTube channel myself, here: http://www.youtube.com/user/buffalofetus)  But while most people use YouTube for light entertainment, more often than not involving cats doing funny things (such as this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J---aiyznGQ), conspiracy theorists are watching stuff like this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=POUSJm—tgw) and this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MwSc7NPn8Ok), full of “free fall collapses,” quotes taken out of context, and other so-called “evidence” that they use to “prove” that various events were in fact massive conspiracies.  For conspiracy theorists, YouTube isn’t fun at all.  It’s deadly serious business.  Also, for them, bizarrely, it is the first line of information.  Despite the vast information resources that are out there, not just on the Internet, conspiracists usually turn to YouTube before they go anywhere else—almost as if other sources don’t exist.  In fact, conspiracy theorists usually credit YouTube videos as more credible than other forms of evidence.

Take, to wit, this recent conversation on the ConspiracyScience forum (in this topic: http://conspiracyscience.com/forums/topic/woow-im-not-banned/page/3) in which this exchange occurs between “Casey,” a conspiracy theorist and 9/11 Truther, and various debunkers including myself:

Casey: “point me in the direction of these scientific rebuttals…but not this load of shit please (http://www.debunking911.com/pull.htm) or anything like it…Somthing actually scientific, i might be dyslexic but i do have a chemistry degree, and i do like my physics”

Muertos: “Casey, you want something "actually scientific" that proves that the WTC was not a controlled demolition? Here you go. (http://wtc.nist.gov/NCSTAR1/PDF/NCSTAR%201.pdf)  Another one: (http://sites.google.com/site/wtc7lies/Bazant_WTC_Collapse_What_Did__Did_No.pdf)  And another: (http://www.911-strike.com/BazantZhou.htm)  All scientific peer-reviewed materials. Enjoy your reading.”

Edward: “lol, collapsed into their own footprint, as if that even happened, only conspiracy theorists claim it did, no one else does.”

Casey: “this is bone totally bone! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=POUSJm--tgw) (http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xa5m8b_wtc-7-falls-symetrically-into-its-o_news)  The vidio footage on this one is pretty good (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8W0N-qH0ac4)”

Muertos: “Casey, I posted 3 scientific rebuttals of the controlled demolition theory.  It seems you did not read them, even though you specifically asked us for them. If that's true, why did you not read them? If you did read them and found them persuasive, please say so. If you did read them and did not find them persuasive, please tell us exactly what portions of them were faulty, in your view.”

Casey: “In fairness chick i havent read them all thu yet… Muertos but you do know it didnt happen the way thay explained it dont ya?”

Casey: “Muertos: (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=POUSJm--tgw) [Note: the same video he’s posted before) Muertos Watch it and look for more real evidence!! its out there!!

welll i was sitting in a school house in floria.... (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KlWSv0NZBRw&feature=related)… The bottom line is i have seen footage of the bombs going off in the base of the buildings there is documented reports by fire fighters police and civilians of bombs going off!! People that were caught in the blasts were treated at hospital!!! So a plane hitting the top of the building made that happen!!! Not fucking likely!! Wake up and smell the coffee, its not dificult its not rocket science!! Alot off people have over complicated this thing to death, but its simple....”

And so forth and so on.  In this case, the CT specifically asked for evidence rebutting the controlled demolition theory.  When three peer-reviewed studies were presented, he admitted he had not read them and continued to argue based on YouTube links, and cited as the centrality of his argument “I have seen footage of the bombs going off” and because he has seen this any evidence to the contrary must be erroneous.  Where did he see this footage?  YouTube, of course!

Why do conspiracy theorists love YouTube so much?  There are a number of possible answers, all of which interlock to one extent or another.  But in analyzing conspiracy theorists’ passion for YouTube we must get to a deeper core of the conspiracy mindset, and that is a desperate need to explain away contrary evidence, usually by denying its legitimacy (because its accuracy is usually much harder to attack).

So, why do conspiracy theorists love YouTube?

1.  In most cases, it’s honestly the best they can do.

Conspiracy theories are, by definition, fringe beliefs.  The most common shopworn theories these days—9/11 was an inside job, global warming is a hoax, the Illuminati is out to impose a “New World Order” on us, etc., etc.—are completely unsupported by empirical evidence.  No reputable scientists or engineers believe that 9/11 was a “controlled demolition.”  (Steven Jones and Judy Wood are not a reputable scientists, and Richard Gage is not a reputable engineer).  The only studies “showing” that climate change is not happening or is not caused by humans are tainted by association with energy lobbies or other political agendas, and the supposed scientific bases for these viewpoints are not accepted in mainstream science.  Therefore, by definition, you will not have pieces of peer-reviewed scholarship to point to that support conspiracy theories.  The only support you can find is from some source where content is user-contributed, and thereby not vetted by any type of editorial process whatsoever—meaning, an open and unregulated community of ideas, which is the definition of what YouTube is.

Example: you can’t find a legitimately peer-reviewed scientific paper claiming that the World Trade Center towers were blown up.  Papers of that nature simply don’t exist.  But type in “9/11 controlled demolition” into YouTube and you’ll bring up thousands of hits.  Anybody can put up a YouTube video about anything.  Unless it flagrantly violates the terms of service enough to be taken off the net, it will remain there for as long as the contributor wants it there, with no factual vetting of any kind.  This is great if you think your cat playing the piano is really funny; chances are others will find that funny too.  It’s not great when you’re trying to prove a scientific or factual point.  Conspiracy theorists don’t have much “evidence” to choose from, and the richest bed of that sort of material is going to be an open source, user-contributed interface.  Ergo, YouTube is custom-made for them.

2.  Most conspiracy theorists are unaware of, or do not appreciate the importance of, non-Web-based, factually vetted sources of information (put another way, the difference between primary sources, secondary sources and tertiary sources).

It sounds like a cliché, but it is largely true that most conspiracy theorists, at least those active on the Internet, are white males between the ages of 18 and 30 who either don’t have or are not yet finished getting college degrees.  Let’s face it, the term peer-reviewed journal doesn’t come up much in this demographic, and far be it from most of these people to set foot into a respected university library.  For these people, the Internet with its ease of information retrieval is the paradigm source of knowledge.  Need to find something?  Google it.  Need to learn something about a particular subject?  Type it into Wikipedia.  That’s not to say that Google, Wikipedia and other web-based sources are not fantastically useful.  Clearly they are.  But they are indices of information—not information itself.  This is an important difference.

Let’s take an example.  It is accepted fact that George Washington was the first president of the United States, and was sworn into that office on April 30, 1789 in New York City.  In the real world, long before the Internet existed, this historical event was established by (among other things) the eyewitness accounts of the thousands of people who witnessed Washington’s swearing-in, the multitudes of documents dating from 1789 documenting the event, papers that Washington signed as President, letters, correspondence, paintings, financial records, oral stories from people who knew him, etc.  The conclusion that George Washington was the first President of the United States is inescapable and absolutely unimpeachable—and those sources I described, which are primary sources, are definitive on the subject.

You can also find numerous history books that reference George Washington’s presidency.  These books, whose authors have researched the primary sources and verified the conclusions drawn from them, are themselves secondary sources—you, the reader, decide to take their word for the fact of George Washington’s presidency because they can demonstrate that they have looked at the primary sources and interpreted them correctly.  (This is the entire point of history as an academic process).  Secondary sources are usually reliable, but they can sometimes be faulty; in almost all cases, though, secondary sources have gone through some sort of factual vetting and verification, such as through the editorial process of book publication, or in the academic realm, peer-review.

Then you have materials that cite secondary sources, collect them, restate them or otherwise work from them.  These are tertiary sources, and their main function is to organize information, not to present it as fact.  Classic example: Wikipedia.  Look up the Wikipedia page on George Washington (it’s here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Washington).  After the statement that George Washington was the first President of the United States, you’ll see three footnote links, 4, 5 and 6.  At the end of the article those footnotes read:

“^ Under the Articles of Confederation Congress called its presiding officer "President of the United States in Congress Assembled". He had no executive powers, but the similarity of titles has confused people into thinking there were other presidents before Washington. Merrill Jensen, The Articles of Confederation (1959), 178–9

^ "George Washington". Library of Congress. Retrieved June 27, 2009.

^ "Rediscovering George Washington". Public Broadcasting Service. Retrieved June 27, 2009.

These footnotes are all citing secondary and other tertiary sources: a book about the Articles of Confederation published in 1959, a Library of Congress website, and a PBS website.  This is not original research, or even secondary research.  It’s a rehash of work others have done.  In fact, Wikipedia doesn’t even allow you to post original research!  This is extremely different than going to the National Archives and looking up the official electoral vote ballots from 1789 that indicate George Washington was elected president in that year.

Note, however, that even Wikipedia has a gatekeeping function.  There are editors and moderators who constantly view and vet the articles that are posted there.  So even a tertiary source like Wikipedia has some editorial control.

Here’s the point: open-sourced Web services like  YouTube don’t even rise to the level of tertiary sources! YouTube lacks even the minimal gatekeeping functions that Wikipedia has.  I can post a video claiming that Ringo Starr was the first President of the United States.  As long as it doesn’t violate the terms of service, which have nothing to do with factual accuracy, no one will take it down.

Conspiracy theorists, however, typically don’t understand the hierarchy of various source materials.  The difference between YouTube and the National Archives is completely lost on most of them.  Consequently, YouTube is a “source” as equally credible as the National Archives—in fact, possibly even more credible because the gatekeeping function of source materials is often mistaken, in conspiracy theorists’ eyes, with conspiratorial meddling or other chicanery.

3.  Conspiracy theorists cannot distinguish between credible and non-credible sources.

This point is closely related to the above one.  Because there’s no difference in a conspiracy theorist’s eyes between any two sources based upon the nature of those sources, they have no way of telling whether a source is true or false.  David McCullough, a respected academic historian with decades of credentials, is no more reliable a source than David Icke, an ex-football player who believes that the world is controlled by reptilian shape-shifting aliens.  John Maynard Keynes, one of the most influential economists in recent history, is no more credible than bloviating radio talkshow host Alex Jones on matters of economics.  This is why conspiracy theorists generally interpret any questioning of the credibility of their sources as an “ad hominem” attack, because to them credibility is irrelevant.  Taken to an extreme, this idea results in the bizarre belief that a YouTube video can be just as true and credible as a peer-reviewed scientific paper published in a nationally-respected journal.

However, because the world (and especially the Internet) is filled with tidal waves of contradictory information, as human beings we must necessarily have a mechanism that separates truth from bullshit.  No one believes absolutely everything they hear, even people who are extremely gullible; it’s just that the truth-versus-bullshit mechanism of gullible people is out of whack compared to that of the non-gullible.  In evaluating the credibility of a particular piece of information, conspiracy theorists do not ask the questions that most of us would ask—“Where did this information come from?  Who did it start with?  What supports it?  Is the source credible?”—because their shallow understanding of epistemology does not result in that sort of analysis.  Too often, conspiracy theorists’ thought processes center around the content or outcome of a particular piece of information—“Does it support the ‘official story’ or does it support my theory?”—or a set of associations, usually negative, with the disseminator of the information itself—“Is it a government spokesperson saying this?”

The first process, the discrimination by content or outcome, usually far more powerful than the second.  Simply put, conspiracy theorists will generally treat as credible any piece of information that supports their conspiracy theory or undermines a conclusion they dislike, regardless of its source.  Popular Mechanics is telling you that 9/11 conspiracy theories are unsupportable; therefore, because the magazine is telling you this, it must be an unreliable source.  (Sometimes conspiracy theorists will search for a reason to discredit a particular source, such as the oft-repeated but false claim that Popular Mechanics’s editor was related to a Bush administration appointee, but this is all post-hoc justification).  Because Steven Jones says that thermite was used to destroy the World Trade Center towers, Steven Jones must be credible.  See?  Discrimination by content, not by credibility.

The second process, associations with the disseminator of the information, comes into play only where it doesn’t conflict with the first process.  Example: when speaking in generalities, conspiracy theorists will usually claim that the “mainstream media” is not reliable, because generally mainstream media outfits like CNN, ABC, BBC, etc. do not regard conspiracy theories as fact.  However, if a mainstream media outlet happens to report something that conspiracy theorists think supports their claims, suddenly that specific report is treated as unimpeachable.  The prime example of this is a September 2001 story on the BBC website reporting on mistaken identity of the 9/11 hijackers (link: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/1559151.stm), which is the main item cited by conspiracy theorists who want to believe that the 9/11 hijackers are still alive (the subject of a ConspiracyScience article here: http://conspiracyscience.com/blog/wiki-911-hijackers-still-alive/).  Normally, conspiracy theorists would denounce BBC as an unreliable source.  But if BBC says something they like, suddenly it is a reliable source, at least on that specific point.

How does this relate to YouTube?  Conspiracy theorists’ opinions of YouTube videos will always follow these two rules.  They will always like videos that support conspiracy conclusions.  If their videos happen to contain clips from mainstream media sources, as they often do, conspiracy theorists will suspend their disdain for mainstream media because they think a particular item supports them.  The inconsistency between these two rules is simply ignored.  The only good source is one that supports a conspiracy theory; a bad source is, by definition, one that does not.  Hence, David Icke is more credible than David McCullough, and Alex Jones is a better economist than Maynard Keynes.  Such are the twisted thought processes of conspiracy theorists.

4.  Presenting an argument in video format is much more emotionally satisfying than presenting an argument in any other way.

Motion pictures have been used for propaganda purposes since the technology was invented.  The phenomenal success of movies to make a political, social or racial statement was demonstrated first with D.W. Griffith’s 1915 film The Birth of a Nation, and the extraordinary power of movies to persuade people continues today.  The two greatest booms to the conspiracist movement in the latter half of the 2000-2009 decade were both movies: Dylan Avery’s Loose Change and Peter Joseph Merola’s Zeitgeist: The Movie.  It’s not surprising that the power of the motion picture to make a point is harnessed quite naturally and completely by conspiracy theorists using YouTube.

Let’s face it, movies get noticed.  If I made this blog as a vlog on YouTube (which isn’t a bad idea), it would probably get more hits than the written page will.  Packaging an argument in a video format, especially if it has interesting visuals and a good soundtrack, will carry your argument further and faster than it would travel by any other means.  Conspiracy theorists are always recruiting, and using video is one of their most powerful tools.  Consequently, it makes sense that their weapon of choice would be YouTube.

To a large extent, conspiracy theorists probably don’t even realize the immense power of the medium that they seem to choose (unconsciously, perhaps) as their preferred means of communication.  Witness the exchange with Casey above.  He claims the “bottom line” is that he has personally seen footage of “bombs going off” on 9/11.  Thus, it is video alone which seems to have convinced him that 9/11 was a conspiracy.  Since he probably honestly believes this is the truth and wants to “save” people from being “sheeple,” he will attempt to use the same medium that evidently swayed him—YouTube videos—to convince others that conspiracy theories are true.  He doesn’t care about the NIST report or peer-reviewed papers because they aren’t interesting, flashy, attention-grabbing and can be digested in 30 seconds or at most a few minutes.  It was YouTube that convinced him, and as far as he’s concerned, there is no need to look farther than YouTube for that damning evidence.

5.  Conspiracy theorists often exhibit an anti-intellectual bias, and because of their positions are forced to attack, ignore or explain away the legitimacy of expertise.  YouTube plays into these biases perfectly.

Here is the real meat of this blog: conspiracy theorists are usually anti-intellectual.  They have no patience for the opinions of experts—usually because those experts do not support conspiracy theories—and they’re often contemptuous of credentialed experts in the first place.  Consequently, conspiracy theorists invest a tremendous amount of thought and effort into denigrating or explaining away the views of those who know more about the subjects they’re talking about than they do.

Anti-intellectualism is the ugly truth in the conspiracist underground, but it’s extremely pervasive.  Sometimes it’s more overt than others.  Just this week we had an exchange on the ConspiracyScience Facebook forum, from a conspiracy theorist named Joe Lowes who posted the following:

Topic title: “I Like This Guy.” Joe Lowes: “This guy tells the truth about the scam that is known as college. Watch some of the vid. and learn the truth.  (http://www.youtube.com/user/DontGoToCollege#p/u/17/T8lcADCW6ew)”

This conspiracy theorist is heavily interested in economic collapse scenarios, which he predicts with regularity.  When confronted with the fact that no economists support these claims, Lowes denounces the possibility that any economists know what they’re talking about.  Here is an exchange in this regard:

Joe Lowes: “We are going to crash this year and it will be bigger then the last one. And all these econimists who cleam that this is not to happen are idiots or are being paiod to lie.”

Muertos: “So, you're trashing the entire discipline of economics, which is a very complicated science.”

Joe Lowes: “They said the same thing about Alchmy. But you can't turn lead into gold.”

Anti-intellectualism at its finest: economics is here equated with alchemy, the implication being that it is worthless and its practitioners just charlatans.  With his atrocious spelling and proletarian contempt for the educated Joe Lowes is obviously small potatoes, but anti-intellectualism finds its way even into the “big guns” of the conspiracy movement.  For example, Peter Joseph Merola, creator of the Zeitgeist films and leaders of the pro-conspiracy Zeitgeist Movement, recently denounced “the credentials argument” in a video documentary about himself and his positions (posted, guess where, on YouTube! It’s here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CIINgQ1TooE).  In this video, Merola identified as the number one argument people use against him the fact that he has no official academic credentials in the fields he opines on (economics and sociology, chief among them).  He’s right—Merola is an art school drop-out—but more important is the vein of anti-intellectualism that he is tapping into quite consciously.  This is carefully calculated to appeal to both the prejudices and the vanity of conspiracy theorists, and it’s a key reason why YouTube is their preferred medium.

Conspiracy theorists hate experts and intellectuals mainly because they are forced to.  Few if any real experts in anything—engineering, economics, metallurgy, political science, or history—agree with conspiracy theories, and conspiracy theorists know that this is a major obstacle in their attempts to gain mainstream acceptance.  Honestly, if one structural engineer with questionable credentials says that the World Trade Center towers were dynamited and 99 real structural engineers say that theory is bullshit, which side are most people going to believe?  Consequently, conspiracy theorists have to tear down experts.  They do this mainly by denigrating the real value or relevance of expert opinion, which usually means casting aspersions on expert status in the first place.  This has two effects: first, they think it blunts the attacks of experts on their theories, and second, it elevates non-expert opinion into the same realm as expert knowledge.

This is closely related to the other reasons conspiracy theorists like YouTube.  Because they can’t tell good sources from bad, and because credibility attacks are usually lost on them or misinterpreted as “ad hominems,” they tend to view the cachet of academic credentials or expert consensus as misguided, arbitrary or (at worst) deliberately deceptive.  In the world of conspiracy theorists, you get to be an “expert” on something solely by being a member of the club, pressing palms and saying things that your peers like.  Training, education, and demonstrable competency are not part of this equation so far as conspiracy theorists are concerned.  Because they’re ignorant of the processes by which someone becomes an expert, they see it as largely a symbolic gesture: you put on a cap and gown and go for a diploma and that alone makes you an “expert,” where “real people” who aren’t so easily “duped” can do just as well in any field without having to shell out the money for a diploma or demean themselves to get into an “old boys’ club.”  This cuts another way too.  Those who do decide to go through the meaningless ritual to become an “expert” are cast by conspiracy theorists as gullible dupes who are willing to sell their souls, and thus their positions are easily criticized or explained away by claiming, “Well, they have to say that if they don’t want to piss off the Powers That Be.”

However anti-intellectual they are, however, deep down conspiracy theorists are in fact desperate for expert endorsement.  If that was not the case, charlatans like Steven Jones or Richard Gage would not be nearly so lionized in the 9/11 Truth movement as they are, because they are seen as figures who can plausibly pass for “experts” that are willing to endorse conspiracy theories regarding 9/11.  So conspiracy theorists are being hypocritical in the final analysis.  They hate experts because most of them won’t agree with them, but deep down they really wish the experts would agree because they know it would translate into convincing gains for their side.  Out of one side of their mouths conspiracy theorists damn experts to hell, and out of the other they whisper how much they wish they could persuade some.

Again, how does this relate to YouTube?  Because YouTube is open-sourced and there is no editorial control on content, it’s uniquely attractive to people who want to look like experts but who are not.  A former pest control technician in a suit and tie giving a Power Point presentation on how the WTC towers were destroyed by thermite bombs looks no different than a credentialed peer-reviewed structural engineer in a suit and tie giving a Power Point presentation on why the towers fell from airplane impacts combined with fires.  Again, the production values are the main thing: if you look and sound like you know what you’re talking about, many people will assume that you do.  Peter Merola is a master at giving lectures on his Zeitgeist Movement ideology, and he looks extremely credible while doing so.  Do you care that he’s not a real sociologist or has no training in economics or ancient history, two subjects that he opined on at length in his Zeitgeist films?  No.  All you care about is that he looks good and speaks well.  YouTube and Google Video made him a star.  That’s the whole game.  Content is secondary.

Furthermore, YouTube provides conspiracy theorists with sort of a home-field advantage.  There really aren’t that many anti-conspiracy videos available on YouTube.  Occasionally debunkers will get into the act and try to fight fire with fire (here’s an example: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zs5jWvu4tR8) but those videos don’t get nearly the hits that conspiracy videos do, and they usually get denounced in the comments by conspiracy theorists who claim debunkers are spreading “disinformation” or “lying.”  There aren’t a lot of credentialed, peer-reviewed experts out there making YouTube videos, probably because they’ve got more important things to do.  Therefore, YouTube looks like friendly territory for conspiracy theorists, which for the most part it is.  It’s one of the few arenas of public discourse where they can spout their claims and not be immediately hammered down, denounced and ridiculed.  Therefore it’s natural that they’d want to preserve that advantage.

Conclusion

Conspiracy theorists suffer from a number of profound misconceptions regarding how the world works, how knowledge is gathered and verified, and what constitutes proof and evidence.  If they did not suffer from these misconceptions, they would not be conspiracy theorists, because the fantastic and unsupportable nature of their theories would be self-evident upon careful review of the real evidence.  YouTube, being open-sourced user-generated content with no editorial or “gatekeeping” function, has become conspiracy theorists’ prime source of information precisely because it’s open-sourced with none of the gatekeeping functions, such as peer review or editorial processes, that make other sources of information reliable.  This coupled with an inability to tell good sources from bad ones plays directly into conspiracy theorists’ conceits that they have “special” knowledge, that expert opinion is overrated or irrelevant, and that they can “change the world” simply by spreading a couple of YouTube links and “opening people’s eyes.”

YouTube is not going away, nor should it.  I like YouTube.  And, for all my criticism here, I’m actually glad that conspiracy theorists rely on YouTube as much as they do, because it makes their spurious arguments much easier to spot and debunk.  But conspiracy theorists’ reliance on YouTube is yet another illustration of why their worldview is intellectually bankrupt and incapable of attracting serious mainstream attention.  When your “evidence” regarding something is a YouTube video from Prison Planet or Infowars, you’re telegraphing to the world that you’ve got nothing better to support your position.  Don’t be surprised when people don’t take you seriously.

May 12, 2010

Debunking by Invitation: Star Wars Beam Weapons and 9/11

Filed under: September 11th — Tags: , , , , , — Muertos @ 18:05

By Muertos (muertos@gmail.com)

I’m not quite sure why I subject myself, often on a daily basis, to the quackery, pseudo-scientific gibberish and the downright lunacy of the conspiracy theorist crowd.  I guess a large part of it is that when I see a frontal assault on logic, reason and critical thinking I feel a need to combat it whenever I can.  I’m under no illusion that I have much of a chance of converting conspiracy theorists, but hope springs eternal, I guess.

Once in a while, the conspiracy theorists find me—and usually end up wishing they hadn’t.  Such was the case recently with a woman called “Dr. Babs” who invited me, via Twitter, to comment on the blog she had recently set up.  The blog is here.   I wasn’t following this person but received this request as an @ reply (I don’t recall the person’s Twitter handle, and she may no longer be on).  When I clicked on her profile I saw that she had made the same request of numerous others, probably a result of some bot that flagged anybody who tweeted about 9/11.  (This was about the time that I had my infamous exchange with a global warming denier and 9/11 Truther on Twitter, about which I blogged here and here).  Likely she did not know that I was a debunker, as I seriously doubt a conspiracy theorist would knowingly invite a debunker to post comments on her blog—but as she had done exactly that (whether knowingly or not), I decided to take her up on the request and clicked on her blog.

As you’ll see from the blog, Dr. Babs is a devotee of Judy Wood, a 9/11 Truther noted for her claim that the World Trade Centers were destroyed by a super-secret government weapon that she semi-officially claims is a “directed energy weapon” (DEW) but evidently does not resist the use of the term “Star Wars space beam,” since that term appears on Wood’s website.  In the writeup for her blog, Dr. Babs passionately anoints Dr. Wood as “an American hero” who is involved in “a tireless search for the mechanism of destruction of the WTC.”

Let me repeat that in case you missed it.  Judy Wood believes the WTC towers were destroyed by beam weapons from outer space.  Yes.  Beam weapons from outer space.

In case you don’t know the history of the 9/11 Truth movement, one of its few “stars” (I use that term guardedly) was a former BYU physics professor named Steven Jones, who is to date the only real scientist (there are plenty of fake ones in the Truth movement) to put his career on the line by claiming that there is some scientific basis for the belief that the WTC towers were destroyed by a “controlled demolition.”  (There is no scientific basis for that, which is part of why Jones was cashiered from the BYU faculty—and it’s important to note that none of Jones’s findings have ever been validated by the peer review process, which is why Jones created his own bogus “journal” where conspiracy theorists “peer-review” the work of other conspiracy theorists).  Essentially, after finding “spherules” in samples of paint from WTC debris—from which there was no chain of evidence, I might add—Jones claimed that the paint was rife with an explosive compound, and this was what destroyed the World Trade Center.

Let me repeat that in case you missed it.  Steven Jones believes the WTC towers were destroyed by exploding paint.  Yes.  Exploding paint.

Well, to make a long story short, roundabout 2006, the high water mark of the 9/11 Truth movement, Dr. Wood decided she didn’t like what Dr. Jones had to say.  Actually it is fairly rare in conspiracy theorist circles for such a public rift to develop over two equally ridiculous theories that are mutually exclusive, considering that conspiracy theorists often incorporate mutually exclusive elements into their convoluted belief structures.  However, for whatever reason, Dr. Wood split off with her own followers, and Dr. Jones split off with his, and the two of them have been at war with each other ever since for “the heart and soul of the 9/11 Truth movement.”  On her blog Dr. Babs makes no secret of which side she’s on, claiming that “There are good guys and there are bad guys in the 9/11 truth movement…[and] Steven E. Jones is a bad person.”  Indeed, it would seem that her blogs (actually she has two, the second one is here, which I'll discuss in a minute)  are mainly aimed at fellow 9/11 Truthers, with the objective of talking up Wood’s claims and ripping the holy bejeezus out of Jones’s.  This is why I don’t think she expected to attract a debunker with her Twitter promotional campaign.  I can’t be sure, but for her the debate appears to be “who is the better conspiracy theorist, Jones or Wood?” as opposed to, “Was there a conspiracy at all on 9/11?”  The answer to the latter question appears to be self-evident to the creator of these blogs.

Not very many debunkers would even bother wasting their time trying to debunk space beams.  I mean, the idea is so outlandish on its face that it’s something akin to the Barack Obama birth certificate conspiracy theory: the believers are so far off in another dimension that you despair of even where to begin.  But, foolishly perhaps, I dove in and began to post some comments on Dr. Babs’s blog, basic 9/11 debunking 101.  The departure point for Wood’s theory appears to be that she thinks the WTC towers were “pulverized” (or “dustified,” to use her terminology), and that this on its face proves that beam weapons must have been used.  Wood also goes into some nonsense about dropping a billiard ball off the World Trade Center, which, to the extent it’s intelligible, appears to be a more extreme variation on Truthers’ “free-fall” claims (which have all been widely debunked).   Needless to say, as is common with all 9/11 Truthers, Wood’s claims are all based on highly selective analysis of photographs and YouTube videos—conspiracy theorists just love YouTube—and give perfunctory treatment, if any at all, on the necessary logical implications of this breathtaking theory, such as what were those big silver things with wings that thousands of eyewitnesses saw crash into the towers (they were holographic projections), who is supposed to have built these weapons (the evil gubbermint, of course) or why no one blew the whistle on this whole thing (no comment).

After posting the usual debunkings of 9/11 conspiracy theories—that the NIST report lays out the comprehensive engineering analysis behind the collapse, that Osama bin Laden confessed, that wreckage of the planes and the remains of their occupants were recovered from the WTC site, that there is not a single shred of evidence of any form of conspiracy whatsoever—I finally got a mention on Dr. Babs’s blog.  She showcased (link here) a comment from someone called “Lucy” in rebuttal to me, beginning with this statement:

“Interesting. Muertos (comment) contradicts Dr. Babs with the same propaganda that deceived this nation, his own information being incorrect. Barbara Olsen's cellphone records show she NEVER made the cellphone calls her husband claimed she did.”

Actually, they do (and it was an Airforne, not a cell phone), but Lucy was just getting started.  She next launched forth into a diatribe of usual Truther claims which reads like a “greatest hits” of the conspiracist movement, to wit:

  • Osama never confessed (false; he did) and is not wanted by the FBI for 9/11 (also false, but there is a reason why 9/11 does not appear on his wanted poster);
  • PNAC predicted a “New Pearl Harbor” in 2000 (absolutely meaningless);
  • The towers were “dustified” (they weren’t);
  • The whole thing was trumped up to put an oil pipeline in Afghanistan (debunked in 2002);
  • The tired-and-true “the hijackers couldn’t fly a Cessna” argument (quote-mined);
  • No 757 wreckage at the Pentagon (absolutely false);
  • WTC7 was “pulled” (absolutely false, based on a quote-mine);
  • Mohammed Atta’s passport couldn’t have survived the collapse (although many other small items, such as pieces of mail, did); and, my personal favorite
  • The hijackers are still alive (ludicrously false, and itself probably the subject of an upcoming blog).

So, all of this is supposed to “prove” that the evil gubbermint blew up the WTC towers with beam weapons from space.  Uh, yeah.

I debunked all these claims in turn (see the comments for my reply), and I ended with this:

“Come on, ladies. This is 2010. You're recycling Truther claims that were debunked five years ago or more. You can do better than that, can't you? Or is there nothing new under the sun in the realm of 9/11 conspiracy theories?”

Indeed, everything that “Lucy” (who may be Dr. Babs herself, not sure) threw at me dates from no sooner than 2005, demonstrating that conspiracy theorists do nothing but rehash the same tired crap over and over again, regardless of how many times it has been proven wrong.  They simply cannot accept that erroneous claims are capable of being proven  erroneous.  If there still are any Truthers left in 2021, twenty years after the disaster, they will still be out there claiming that the hijackers are still alive.

From this alone, Dr. Babs’s claims wouldn’t really be worthy of a blog post.  However, her other blog—on which I have not commented to date—fills out the picture of the kind of person who believes in crap like space beams.  For example, take this one: she evidently believes that Jim Fetzer, a well-known 9/11 Truther, and Steven Jones, who she says is a “bad person” remember, were themselves involved in 9/11! I am not making this up.  Read the blog post here.  Classic quote:

“Question from Fetzer about 9/11: "...have you looked into any of these high tech weapons?"

Reply from Steven Jones: "Ah, well, I just read about them. I have not been involved in the event."

And then Fetzer starts talking over him.  Do you realize what happened in this interview?

Steven Jones denied involvement in "the event" when the question was about high tech weapons.  DING DING DING DING!!  Jones denied involvement when the question wasn't about involvement. It's similar to a spouse saying, "Hi, honey. How was your day?" and the spouse responding, "I wasn't flirting with that secretary."

So, there you have it.  This is what passes for “evidence” in the 9/11 conspiracy crowd.  On the basis of this, Dr. Babs is making the public allegation that Steven E. Jones, the guy who brought you (but can’t prove) cold fusion and exploding paint, was complicit in the murder of 3,000 innocent Americans.  Some standard of “proof,” eh?

By way of background, it should be mentioned that the acrimony between Jones’s exploding-painters and Woods’s space-beamers is extremely intense.  Many “mainstream” 9/11 Truthers (is there such a thing?) believe that Judy Wood and her followers are government plants who are being paid to spread intentionally ridiculous theories so that the mainstream media can more easily ridicule anyone who believes in a 9/11 conspiracy.  In short, that the space beamers are “disinformation” (another classic term that conspiracy theorists love to toss around).  To say that the space beamers resent this characterization is sort of like saying that Alex Jones stretches the truth occasionally.

It gets better.  Further on in Dr. Babs’s second blog you get a greater dose of her “activism” and what she thinks is really important: Sarah Palin’s kids.

I am not making this up.  Here it is, complete with a photo of Dr. Babs herself protesting outside a Borders somewhere, holding a sign reading “Sarah Palin Is NOT The Birth Mother of Trig Palin.”  In fact it’s one of three posts she makes about the Trig Palin conspiracy theory.

In case you forgot your 2008 political conspiracy theories, here’s a refresher.  In 2008 former Alaska governor and losing VP presidential candidate Sarah “Lipstick Bulldog” Palin had a baby named Trig.  Not long after, Palin’s teenage daughter, Bristol, got knocked up by her then-boyfriend, Levi Johnston (who later bared all in Playgirl magazine), and gave birth to her own child, Tripp.  Conspiracy theorists claim that Trig was also Bristol’s child, and that he was passed off as Sarah Palin’s son in order to avoid the “scandal” of her daughter getting pregnant at an even earlier age.  Naturally the theory is ridiculous, but even if it’s true (and there is absolutely no evidence that it is), it definitely falls in the “Who cares?” category.  I don’t think anybody outside of the habitual consumers of gossip magazines really cares about whether Sarah or Bristol Palin is really Trig’s mother.  But evidently Dr. Babs does, and she’s out there in front of Borders making sure the world knows how crucial this issue is.

Interestingly, in one of Dr. Babs’s entries, she posts the words of a supporter on the Trig Palin “issue” who lauds her for her efforts and opines that the Lipstick Bulldog should be pressured to “produce the birth certificate.”  Hmm, those words sound uniquely similar to another birth certificate hijinx story that was popular in 2008 and 2009, that being the idiotic “Birther” conspiracy pushed by California dentist and sometime lawyer Orly Taitz.

But, back to 9/11.  In an amusing post (link here) Dr. Babs responds to some of her readers’ criticism.

At least some other debunker had the guts to take her to task on her space beam nonsense.  Here is her response, which I believe encapsulates her views of 9/11:

“You say evil people hijacked airplanes. Fine. You're wrong, but that's OK for now. What actually happened was that an energy weapon dissolved the WTC. One day it will become clear to you on your own, or somebody you trust will give you the news, and you'll finally believe it.”

The usual conspiracy theorist line: you just don’t understand.  You’re brainwashed.  You’re willfully blind.  And on the glorious day when 9/11 Truth is trumpeted on CNN or Fox News, only then will you realize that this small, elite group of brave freedom fighters was right all along.

Another response to a debunker:

“One of the things that has been peculiar about my work on medical marijuana and on 9/11 research is that so many people want to tell me their opinion. Not that I'm not open to their opinion, but if their opinion is that the government is telling the truth about 9/11, then just stop. I already know that story. Why force it upon me?”

Um, maybe because what you believe is factually insupportable, corrosive to reason and rationality as well as completely ridiculous, and is pissing on the graves of 3,000 innocent victims of Osama bin Laden?

Now this is especially telling:

“I'm the researcher, here. I'm the one who spends night and day and every moment in between trying to figure out 9/11, not you…I've done my homework on this. I've spent the best years of my life nearly constantly searching for answers to the question, "What destroyed the WTC?"”

If indeed Dr. Babs has spent “night and day and every moment in between” researching 9/11, I’m surprised she doesn’t know that the hijackers are dead, or that the towers did not collapse at free-fall speeds.  I can find that information within minutes.  The only explanation is that she willfully chooses not to accept these facts—which is irrational.

But Dr. Babs’s statement is important also for another reason: here we have another classic conceit of the conspiracy theorist, that of casting themselves in the role of a valiant sleuth trying to solve a mystery.  Actually this view is key to understanding the bizarre pathology of people like Judy Wood and her followers.  Notice she uses the words “figure out 9/11” and “searching for answers to the question.”  This indicates that she believes what happened on 9/11 is some sort of mystery.  She says it too on the write-up on her blog (emphasis added): “This blog is dedicated to her [Judy Wood’s] tireless search for the mechanism of destruction of the WTC…Judy Wood got the right answer to the question "What destroyed the WTC?"… in the future she will be known for solving 9/11.”

This is classic conspiracy theorist ideology.  Historical events, even those about which there is no reasonable debate, are re-cast as “mysteries” to be “solved,” like police investigating a murder or the NTSB investigating the cause of an air crash.  Why do conspiracy theorists like to do this?  First, it affirms their worldview that they’re privy to secret knowledge that almost no one else accepts or understands, and that this knowledge will change the world.  Second, it puts their conspiracy theories on the same footing as provable fact: that is, that event X is unknown or misunderstood, and is susceptible to more than one reasonable explanation.  The JFK assassination is the paradigm example of this—conspiracy buffs love to refer to it as “the mystery of the century” and with other such hyperbole—but more extreme 9/11 deniers also exhibit this tendency.

Dr. Babs and other conspiracy theorists seem to think that 9/11 goes something like this:

*WTC centers blow up*

PUBLIC: “Oh, wow!  That was unexpected!  How did that happen?  What caused it?”

EVIL GUBBERMINT (without evidence): “It was Osama and his Al-Qaeda hijackers!”

PUBLIC: “Okay, I believe that because you said so.”

CONSPIRACY THEORIST (with mountains of convincing evidence): “No!  Don’t fall for it!  It was actually the Bush administration that blew up the towers with space beams!”

PUBLIC: “Wow, thanks, Conspiracy Theorist!   You solved the mystery of 9/11!”

Of course, it’s not like this at all.  What happened on 9/11 is not a mystery and never was.  Just as in the JFK case, the truth was known within hours: Oswald assassinated John Kennedy.  On 9/11, the investigations led immediately and unmistakably to Al Qaida and the 19 Saudi hijackers.  All of the evidence that has come to light since 9/11 has merely confirmed that unmistakable conclusion.   Not some of it.  Not selective pieces of it.  All of it.

But the “it’s a mystery!” and “how was it really done?” memes make it very easy for conspiracists like Judy Wood and her followers to breeze past the mountains of evidence about what really happened.  To them, 9/11 is a mystery by definition.  Therefore, what they term the “official story,” which to them is a single monolithic pronouncement by a single entity, can at best only be a theory on which reasonable minds can differ.  When your starting point of inquiry is, “We don’t know how 9/11 happened except that we know it didn’t happen the way they said it happened,” then the battle between space beamers and exploding painters suddenly becomes much more important—when in the real world it’s merely one group of tinfoil hatters trying to tear down another.

Will there ever be an end to this nuttery?  I doubt it, unfortunately.  Forty-seven years on people are still convinced that the CIA, Mafia, LBJ or the Cubans whacked Kennedy.  Probably in the year 2057 there will still be idiots running around out there thinking that the World Trade Center towers were intentionally demolished.  Hopefully Judy Wood’s “space beams” lunacy will die down long before then, and it’s not as if I think it’s particularly likely to catch on.  Space beams is super-fringe stuff even by 9/11 Truthers’ low standards.  Hell, if Steven Jones, the guy who believes in exploding paint, tells you that you’re nuts, you’ve really got a deep hole to dig yourself out of.

May 7, 2010

A Response to the Zeitgeist Movement's Diagnosis of "Intellectual Inhibition."

(Note: this is Muertos, a guest blogger on ConspiracyScience.com, email muertos@gmail.com).

The Zeitgeist Movement really doesn’t like ConspiracyScience.com.  We have now been afforded official recognition by Zeitgeist Movement leader Peter J. Merola (who calls himself “Peter Joseph”), who, in a post on his forum entitled “ConspiracyScience.com: A Case Study in Intellectual Inhibition,” effectively called us mentally ill.  This blog is a response to his statement.

The original post is here and was evidently written while Merola was stuck in Europe during the Iceland volcanic ash cloud incident.  This will be a long post, as Merola’s initial criticism was, but it’s worth examining his attitudes toward this website and the people who post frequently on its forums (such as me).

“Since I have been stuck in the UK, with only so much I can do, I have been occasionally reviewing the content and social activity on a website called ConspiracyScience.com. The issue I want to address here has nothing to do with the supposed “Debunking” of my films on the website, but rather the tactics, mentality and what I can only classify as a biased based mental illness of its author, Edward L Winston, along the near pathological nature of the rather Anti-TZM community it has fostered. I feel there is a great deal to learn from it in regard to the larger social problem of culturally influenced mental illness by way of memes and the circular reinforcement (feedback loops) that results within self-isolated groups.”

I like how the “debunking” of Merola’s Zeitgeist films is referred to in quotes, and just in case you didn’t get the message he precedes it with the word “supposed,” thus indicating that he feels Edward hasn’t really refuted anything despite the fact that Merola has not, at least to my knowledge, addressed any of the issues Edward raised in his very comprehensive analysis of the Zeitgeist films.  A defense of Edward’s analysis is not the point of this blog, but you can see from the length and detail of Edward’s article that there’s a great deal of factual material that Merola has gotten very wrong, and to date he has not retracted any of it; nor, at least to my knowledge, will he debate Edward on the factual points of his movies or even address any of these criticisms beyond hinting that nothing has really been debunked.

The real meat of this statement of course is the charge of “culturally influenced mental illness” and “biased based mental illness.”  I’d assume that Merola would probably say that I suffer from the same “mental illness” as Edward does, since I disagree with Merola’s claims in his films and I strongly oppose the unacknowledged goal of the Zeitgeist Movement to push conspiracy theories and conspiracy ideology.  According to Merola, we suffer from this illness because we are in a “self-isolated group” of crusty, disagreeable trolls whose minds are closed to anything new.  In fact he goes on to use ConspiracyScience.com, its creator and its forum regulars to illustrate just how sick he believes society really is:

“1)The first we will call “Ideological Bigotry”- thus loosely defined as the dismissal/denouncing of a person, based on the mere presentation of conclusions which are outside of the other person's preferred reality. In regard to Edward L Winston and many of the people participating in his community, a very common use of the derogatory term “Conspiracy Theorist” serves as a mantra of 'presupposed rejection' regarding certain forms of information. In other words, anyone who brings up a certain 'type' of information which might be susceptible to this “taboo” category, is often reduced to a “Conspiracy Theorist”. What this really is, again, is Ideological Bigotry – a form of “opinion racism” if you will. Suddenly anyone who has questions about an historical act, which is contrary to the prevailing view, and beyond some biased, subjective threshold deemed “rational”- is likely just an nutty “Conspiracy Theorist”. This is a powerful tool, which has been used by political propagandists since the dawn of time.”

As you can see from these statements, Merola’s style of debate and argument is to re-define commonly accepted concepts into terms favorable to his point of view, and then to associate opponents with emotionally-charged negative terms such as “Bigotry” and “taboo.”  Here he says that we use the term “conspiracy theorist” as a derogatory shorthand for any information we don’t like.  The association of this concept with an ugly-sounding—but ultimately meaningless—term like “Ideological Bigotry” completes the picture of ConspiracyScience.com regulars as closed-minded troglodytes flinging baseless epithets at anyone who says anything we dislike.  This is a picture commonly painted of debunkers by believers in conspiracy theories who blanch at the term “conspiracy theorist” and who are frustrated that we just don’t take their theories seriously.  Merola is more articulate than most conspiracy theorists but presents no more substance than they do.

Missing here, for example, is the slightest shred of appreciation of why debunkers like me do what we do.  Personally, I hate conspiracy theories because they do violence to logical thought and critical thinking and because they are corrosive to democratic ideals and reasoned political discourse.  But what I call a “conspiracy theory” is far less arbitrary than Merola suggests.  A “conspiracy theory” is a fantastic and irrational allegation, unsupported by empirical evidence, of wrongdoing by a cabal of powerful and evil forces.  The key words in this definition are unsupported by empirical evidence.  The “9/11 was an inside job” theories are unsupported by empirical evidence.  (For a specific example of a claim Merola pushes that is unsupported by empirical evidence, take for instance the assertion in Zeitgeist I that six of the 9/11 hijackers are still alive—a ludicrous claim that crumbles when one conducts even a cursory investigation into the facts.  This is by no means the only example, but again, I don't want to rehash Edward's complete debunking in this blog).  I don’t reject conspiracy theories because I dislike the message or because it goes against the “official story.”  I reject them because they didn’t happen, and because believing in 9/11 conspiracy theories—or other conspiracy theories like “the moon landings were faked,” “the world is secretly run by the Illuminati” or “global warming is a hoax dreamed up by Al Gore”—is inherently irrational.

Conspiracy theorists love to denounce skeptics on the same terms Merola uses, that is, that we reject out of hand anything that does not comport with our predetermined conclusions.  Most conspiracy theorists make reference to this concept by referring to non-believers in conspiracy theories as “brainwashed,” “asleep” or, my personal favorite, “sheeple,” meaning that we’re so pacified by an officially-dominated information structure that we are incapable of seeing anything beyond it.  (A similar view promoted by less experienced conspiracy theorists is that skeptics refuse to believe anything that's not on CNN or Fox News).  The irony of this view is that it’s an illustration in practice of exactly what Merola complains of himself!  If you don’t believe conspiracy theories, you are sheeple.  Period.  Sounds familiar, yes, Mr. Merola?

“The easiest way to stop people from investigating certain subject matters is to create fear. In a world driven by public image, many people today will not even consider alternative theories to certain events, such as 911 and like, because they simply don't want to be debased as a “Conspiracy Theorist.” This is a perfect tactic of social influence. As far as Edward L Winston, I don't feel he even understands what he is doing. It is a conditioned response. I think he is genuine in his disposition. It is, again, a form of mental illness, just like a racist feels when encountering what they might consider an “inferior” race.”

Here again is Merola’s frame of the words “conspiracy theorist” and “conspiracy theory” as equivalent to racism and bigotry, while completely missing the substance of the debate between conspiracy theories and objective reality.  Edward is evidently “conditioned” to reject conspiracy theories in the same way that racists are “conditioned” to reject people of other races.  Merola is once more hammering home the message that people who disbelieve conspiracy theories conduct absolutely no substantive evaluation of the theories they are rejecting, which is above all what he wants his followers to take away from his essay.  This superficial treatment is intended by Merola to communicate to his followers that anyone who disagrees with him, or disagrees with conspiracy theories, is as mindlessly reflexive in their reactions as hard-core racists are.  The message to the Zeitgeisters, therefore, is: “Never mind why people reject 9/11 conspiracy theories.  Their concerns are always baseless.  They’re just closed-minded fools.”

This view--that skeptics of conspiracy theorists and critics of the Zeitgeist Movement never conduct any substantive evaluation of what they're criticizing--serves to obliquely reinforce the conspiracy theorists' beliefs.  By suggesting that we who disagree with Zeitgeist do so superficially and reflexively establishes the paradigm that if we did bother to look deeper into the merits of these things, unquestionably we would be won over.  This attitude is prevalent on the Zeitgeist forums where I've often seen members state with apparent confidence that no one can really have any substantive disagreement with the Venus Project or the Zeitgeist Movement, that its goals and virtue are self-evident.  (Also self-evident is the supposed "greatness" and "brilliance" of Jacque Fresco.  Zeitgeisters universally react with hostility whenever anyone questions what Fresco has actually done in the real world or why he is worthy of praise as some sort of visionary).  Since the thesis of Merola's essay is unquestionably "those who disagree with me must have a screw loose," this conceit plays directly into the preconceived notions of the movement's superiority that Merola, above all, desires to preserve in the minds of his followers.

The problem with this view is two-fold. Obviously it's false; the creator and regulars of ConspiracyScience.com are, to the contrary, extremely experienced in evaluating conspiracy theories from the standpoint of rational and critical thinking.  Edward's debunking of Zeitgeist is the most comprehensive you can find on the net.  One of our regulars--who ironically was recently banned from the ZM forums--is a walking encyclopedia of 9/11 facts, and the totality and accuracy with which he can deflate 9/11 "controlled demolition" claims (which Merola seems to believe) is impressive.  Personally, I'm pretty knowledgeable about the JFK assassination and have studied it for a long time.  (I am also a former believer in a JFK assassination conspiracy, and it was precisely my interest in the supposed "facts" behind that view that led me to the realization that there is no evidence for a conspiracy).  So to suggest that we immediately reject things out of hand without any critical understanding is simply laughable.  Furthermore, I'm convinced Merola knows this; he's just trying to explain to his followers why comprehensive-sounding debunkings of his ridiculous films are not to be trusted.

The second problem with this view plays to a myopia virtually universal among conspiracy theorists: inability to tell credible sources from bad ones.  A conspiracy theorist will stumble across a video on YouTube containing some absurd claim they've never heard before and will assume that it must be true, or that it is at least as capable of being true as something heard from a more credible source.  The most powerful conspiracy theories--such as those proferred by Alex Jones and to some extent by Merola himself--will contain within them an explanation why no "mainstream" sources back them up (naturally, because those sources are tainted by "official" bias).  If you can't tell the difference between a peer-reviewed journal and something you saw on Prison Planet, naturally you wonder why people tend to believe the peer-reviewed journal and scoff at the Prison Planet video.  Conspiracy theorists also tend not to realize that something they saw on YouTube this week, although it may be a new video, is probably not a new theory.  Almost all of the spurious claims Merola makes in Zeitgeist I regarding 9/11 have been around since 2002.  The "bankers rule the world" conspiracy has been around for 100 years and the "Christ conspiracy" has been around longer than that.  Just because it surfaces in a new form doesn't mean it's new.  But to conspiracy theorists, it usually does.  So a skeptic who hears the "jet fuel doesn't burn hot enough to melt steel" argument in 2010 will naturally roll their eyes and say, "Not that shit again," because he's been debunking that same claim since 2002 or 2003.  Consequently, the conspiracy theorist who just heard it for the first time last week will be shocked and say, "You're just dismissing it out of hand?  How do you know it's not true?"  This reinforces the view that Merola is taking of the skeptical community, that they never substantively review anything.

I will give Merola one thing: he knows very well the power and importance of words.  Take for example one of the bases of “support” he uses in Zeitgeist I for asserting similarities between Joseph and Jesus, in which the statement is made “Joseph was of 12 brothers and Jesus had 12 disciples.”  Makes it sound like there’s a huge parallel between Joseph and Jesus, doesn’t it?  The way the sentence should read is, “Joseph had 11 brothers and Jesus had 12 disciples”—which is obviously a meaningless comparison.  But because Merola uses “of” instead of “had,” he can use the "12" figure in each side of the sentence, and thus make it look significant, as well as fit into the neat "12" meme he likes to use.  He's carefully used the words to be able to fudge the whole idea and force an apparent similarity where none exists.  This is one small example of how careful he is with words, so it’s no accident that in his denunciation of ConspiracyScience.com he frequently uses negatively-charged words like “racist,” “inferior,” “Bigotry” and the like.

Merola’s next statement is interesting:

“So, if a prominent physicist stands up and claims contrary evidence to the current accepted reality of a certain phenomenon in this context, they are no longer a physicist- they are just a “Conspiracy Theorist”.”

He doesn’t name who he’s talking about here, but I'm sure he’s referring to Steven E. Jones, former BYU professor who wrote a paper trumpeting that evidence of explosives was found in “spheroids” he examined supposedly from WTC debris.  First, Steven E. Jones is not a prominent physicist; he was cashiered from the BYU faculty; and his findings have not been peer-reviewed, which means they aren’t supported by other scientists.  In fact, Jones’s theory is that explosive paint—yes, that’s right, explosive paint—was applied to structural elements of the World Trade Center by persons unknown.  You can read all about this “prominent physicist” and his claims here.  But I guess casting aspersions on Jones’s “research” is just my “ideological bigotry” acting up again.

What is significant about Merola’s invocation of Jones is that it shows that he (Merola) is still a dyed-in-the-wool 9/11 Truther.  No one outside of conspiracy theorist circles treats Jones’s work as worthy of serious consideration.  Why is it significant that Merola is telegraphing his continued support for 9/11 conspiracy theories?  Because it indicates that he has not at all “backed away” from the conspiracy positions taken in Zeitgeist I, as some posters on his forum seem to think.  If Merola is still worshiping at the altar of Steven Jones today, in 2010, it’s a strong indication that he believes the conspiracy theories associated with Jones’s unsupportable position are still totally valid.  This too may be a subtle cue to his supporters: “Don’t worry, Zeitgeisters.  I still believe in 9/11 Truth as much as you all do!”  He can’t say that openly so long as he’s pining for some sort of mainstream support for the Zeitgeist Movement, because he knows that most people (quite rightly) shut down as soon as someone starts spewing conspiracy theories at them.  But because a large amount of Merola’s constituency in the Zeitgeist Movement consists of conspiracy theorists—most of whom, by Merola’s own admission, were initially attracted to the movement because of the conspiracy aspects of Zeitgeist I—he has to placate them and make sure that they stay on board.

“If people are mere “Conspiracy Theorists” since they have different conclusions than the prevailing order in regard to some events, then it is only logical that all those who denounce such ideas be labeled “Coincidence Theorists”! Obviously, that is a joke, but I hope the point is clear.”

I don’t know who coined the term “Coincidence Theorist,” but it’s been tossed around quite a lot on the ConspiracyScience.com forum, and always by conspiracy theorists.  It’s a joke because debunkers refer to conspiracy theorists as “CTs” and “Coincidence Theorist” results in the same acronym, but it’s also largely a knee-jerk response by conspiracy theorists who usually, to one degree or another, view certain events as falling into a pattern and then cite the supposed pattern as “evidence” that certain events were staged or predetermined.  Simple example: some conspiracy theorists believe that the death of Minnesota Senator Paul Wellstone in October 2002 in a plane crash, just days before the Congressional elections in which authorization for the Iraq war was a major issue, was some sort of sneaky assassination.  This despite the absence of a single shred of evidence of foul play, but in conspiracy-land, the statistical unlikelihood of a vociferously anti-war senator dying in a plane crash days before an election in which the war is a major issue itself becomes evidence of foul play, simply because “it’s too wild to be a coincidence.”  This trope is used by conspiracy theorists, desperate for any epithet to use against debunkers, to paint non-believers in conspiracy theories as gullible dupes who will believe any story, however outrageous or illogical, so long as it’s transmitted to them by an “official source.”  Ironically, it is conspiracy theorists, not debunkers, who exhibit this tendency in practice.  As we see very often on ConspiracyScience.com, if a claim comes out of Alex Jones’s mouth, there are a large number of people out there who assume it must be true, however outlandish.

“2) Point two worthy of noting, has to do with a very common phenomenon of “Attacking the Messenger”, which is really just a variation of the aforementioned issue. Only this time it is more personal and based on finding some type of association which would serve to discredit a particular person directly. For example, I often hear: “Peter Joseph is just a a “college dropout” with “no credentials” – therefore there is no need to even regard his research in a serious way”.”

In this passage Merola exhibits another extremely common trait of conspiracy theorists, that of labeling any questioning of his credibility as an “ad hominem attack” (“ad hominem” are conspiracy theorists’ favorite Latin words).  As a rule, conspiracy theorists are usually incapable, whether willfully or innocently, of distinguishing between a credibility issue and a personal attack.  It is entirely legitimate to question the credibility of a person presenting a particular fact, so long as the credibility question is relevant to what they’re talking about.  Let me illustrate:

QUESTIONING CREDIBILITY:

Alex Jones: "We're going to have martial law and one world government by 2011!"

Muertos: "Alex, you predicted martial law in 1998, 1999, 2000, 2001, 2002, 2003, and on down the line. Why should we believe that this prediction will be any more accurate than any of your others?"

AD HOMINEM:

Dylan Avery: "Larry Silverstein blew up WTC7."

Muertos: "Dylan, your new hairstyle is retarded."

See the difference?

Merola continually harps on the criticism he has received for being a “college dropout” or not having any credentials in sociology, economics or any of the fields he opines on.  (He whines about this at length in the “Who Is Peter Joseph” video put out in February 2010).  On the face of it he seems to be advancing a reasonable argument: isn’t a premise valid no matter where it originates?  To some extent this is true.  I call this the “Hitler’s Volkswagen” argument: just because the Volkswagen was originally Hitler’s idea doesn’t mean all Volkswagens are evil.  But taken to extremes this idea would mean that the guy who’s hawking a cure for cancer on the Internet should be just as worthy of your consideration for treatment as your oncologist who says you need chemo and radiation therapy.  In the real world, credentials do matter; if they didn’t, our society would not value experts in any field and we would all be trying to cure cancer with roots, leaves and old-wives-tale remedies.  You want the person treating your cancer to know something about cancer, don’t you?  Similarly, shouldn’t a guy who’s pushing a blueprint for the future of mankind have at least some demonstrable understanding of the past of mankind, as well as social dynamics and economics?  In seeking to demonize anyone who criticizes him Merola glosses over this point and categorically rejects the legitimacy of anyone questioning his credibility on anything.  It’s another easy way to paint his critics as deranged, closed-minded bigots.

“Other symptoms of what appear to be a pathological mental illness in this regard, is by creating a means which avoids having to research anything thoroughly. A statement such as 'Acharya S has been discredited by the academic community, therefore we don't have to followup on her sources.' is another variation.”

This is another conspiracist attempt to deflect credibility criticism.  It's closely related to the inability of conspiracy theorists to distinguish credible sources from spurious ones.  Acharya S. (true name D.M. Murdock) is a pseudo-historian whose works have been discredited by the academic community.  One of her major sources is the mysterious "Madame Blavatsky," a psychic medium and well-known crystal-ball psychic of the late 19th century who was totally discredited even in her own time.  Using the “Hitler’s Volkswagen” argument in Acharya S.'s favor, Merola pleads for us not to reject her on that basis, while completely ignoring the question of whether Acharya S. and her source Madame Blavatsky deserve to be taken seriously by the academic community.  Indeed, in Merola’s view, Acharya S.'s scholarship (much like his own) should be judged on an “innocent until proven guilty” (or, “credible until proven otherwise”) standard.  Academic research works on precisely the opposite principle, however.  In the peer-review process, your assertions are assumed to be a pack of lies until and unless you prove that what you say has factual support.  This is why graduate students have to defend their dissertations in front of a panel of their peers.

So, what would Merola have us do about Acharya S.?  In his view we are not allowed to make reference to the numerous debunkings, dating from the 19th century, of Madame Blavatsky's parlor tricks involving clairvoyance, levitation, out-of-body projection and the like.  No; despite the fact that Blavatsky was exposed as a fraud 120 years ago, we're supposed to accept her as a credible source, and judge Acharya S. to be a credible, reasonable and professional scholar whose theories must be accorded the status of proven fact.  If we do not do that, we're projecting "Intellectual Bigotry."

In his impassioned defense of Acharya S., Merola, in his inability (or disinclination) to tell credible sources from bad ones, glosses over the fact that the reason Acharya S. never got out of the starting gate as a respected scholar is because her theories are bullshit.  Let's take an opposite example: David McCullough is a respected historian.  That doesn’t mean he can spew any old garbage he wants and pass it off as legitimate history simply because the name “David McCullough” has academic cachet.  I guarantee you that if Acharya S. submitted a paper to a peer-reviewed journal under David McCullough’s name espousing the same theories she is known for, that paper would be rejected and somebody would call up poor David McCullough and ask him if he’s feeling all right.

Merola, however, does not understand this, possibly because he hasn't been through the academic process and thus has no idea how it works.  What he winds up doing, therefore, is fostering a sort of populist anti-intellectualism.  In his world experts have no value.  (Why, then, are we supposed to be impressed with Jacque Fresco?)  Anyone can do brain surgery.  Academics are an insular "old boys club," and academic respectability is an arbitrary thing that can be granted or withheld by the whim of an elite mob, sort of the way popularity in high school is bestowed artificially by being voted Prom Queen.  Anyone with any serious understanding of academics, history or science would recognize this as the complete rubbish that it is.  Why does Merola, therefore, wallow in this gutter?  Because he has to convince his followers to categorically reject the views of people who tell them that he has no idea what he's talking about.

After flapping around for several paragraphs about how unfair Edward is to Acharya S., Merola finally reminds himself to get to a new point:

“3)Now, Edward L Winston aside, the final point to be made, which has been brought to my attention too many times at this stage, is the “Red Herring Angle” used by many of the members of his forum, which transfers their biases in regard to the sections on “Conspiracy” in my early film, to The Zeitgeist Movement itself, often saying something like “they are all just a bunch of conspiracy theorists at the TZM”. There is no critical examination of any of my lectures, no critical examination of our 90 page Orientation Guide, etc. Nothing. It is dismissal by association in a profoundly biased way... which is yet another form of psychological denial.”

This is a criticism that Zeitgeisters often use: with big wet puppy-dog eyes they plead, “Don’t judge us on conspiracy theories…we really want to change the world with the Venus Project!”  Again, the intent is to paint critics as unfair fanatics.  By focusing on the conspiracy aspects of the movement, we are “missing the point,” which is how wonderful the world could be if we remade it in Peter Merola and Jacque Fresco’s image, and how we should all come together to implement this laudable goal.

This argument is totally disingenuous.  In truth, conspiracy theories are the very heart and soul of the Zeitgeist Movement.  I’ve blogged before about the primacy of conspiracy theories to the Zeitgeist Movement.  You cannot separate the goals of a movement from the major motivation that causes people to join it.  Merola claims he’s all about the Venus Project now, and “the sections on ‘conspiracy’” [note the quotes again!] “in my early film” are no longer relevant.  Yet he has admitted in his own words that Zeitgeist I and the conspiracy aspects are “the core generator of interest—still—to this day for the movement.” By asking critics of the ZM to overlook the conspiracy aspects and focus on the Venus Project, Merola is asking us to accept that he has performed a bait-and-switch on his own members, and that they have willingly and enthusiastically accepted this deception.  I have a difficult time accepting that he would do that, and judging from the comments on the ZM forums—which are rife with 9/11 Truthers and conspiracy theorists of almost every stripe—it doesn’t seem that he has.

Think about it.  What Merola wants you to believe is that this essential dialogue occurs between him and his members:

Merola (through Zeitgeist I): “WOW!  Look at these horrible conspiracies!  Jesus is a lie!  9/11 was an inside job!  Evil bankers rule the world!”

Conspiracy theorist: “AMAZING!  You’re totally right!  You opened my eyes!  What do we do about these horrible things?”

Merola: “Join the Zeitgeist Movement and implement a resource-based economy!”

Conspiracy theorist: “OK!  I’m in!  Wow, we’re going to change the world!”

Merola: “Yes, but remember that changing the world has nothing to do with conspiracy theories.  We’re all about achieving a resource-based economy, and that ooky conspiracy stuff was just to get you to sign up for the movement, which has the same name as the conspiracy movie I showed you, and which I, the producer of that movie, am the leader of.”

Conspiracy theorist: “OK!  Great!  I don’t care about conspiracy theories anymore!  Let’s go build a resource-based economy!”

So we, the critics, are asked to believe that Merola has totally turned the tables on his own members, and that none of them care any more about conspiracies, which is the reason they joined in the first place?

Let’s see how much sense this makes by transferring the same dynamic to another issue.  Many people are passionate about animal rights.  Let’s say I make an Internet movie called Wunderkind which is all about how puppies and kittens are being tortured in animal research facilities.  If Merola is right, here’s how the dialogue between me and my followers would go:

Me (through the movie Wunderkind): “WOW!  Look at all this animal cruelty!  They’re torturing puppies!  They’re clubbing seals!  They’re grinding up kitty cats!”

Animal rights activist: “AMAZING!  You’re totally right!  You opened my eyes!  What do we do about these horrible things?”

Me: “Join the Wunderkind Movement and institute Communism!”

Animal rights activist: “OK!  I’m in!  Wow, we’re going to change the world!”

Me: “Yes, but remember that changing the world has nothing to do with animal cruelty.  We’re all about achieving Communism, and that ooky animal cruelty stuff was just to get you to sign up for the movement, which has the same name as the animal rights movie I showed you, and which I, the producer of that movie, am the leader of.”

Animal rights activist: “OK!  Great!  I don’t care about animal cruelty anymore!  Let’s go achieve Communism!”

This is what Merola wants you to believe goes on in the Zeitgeist Movement.  Doesn’t make any sense, does it?

What is truly unfortunate is that the Venus Project, an idea that originally had absolutely nothing to do with conspiracy theories, has now been hijacked by them.  Honestly, I really couldn’t care less about the Venus Project.  I can’t speak for Edward, but I certainly have no plans to conduct a “critical examination” of the 90-page “Orientation Guide.”  Even if it’s 100% true, I just don’t care about it.  Merola pleading with me that he be judged on the content of his lectures or his “Orientation Guide” cannot excuse the fact that he is still pushing totally baseless conspiracy theories.  That is unacceptable.  If the Dalai Lama came to me preaching an unimpeachable message of peace and love, but also added that he thought 9/11 was an inside job, I would still denounce him as a conspiracy theorist and debunk his theory.  That’s what we do here at ConspiracyScience.com.  We’re not out there building bubble cities or programming computers to rule the world.  We debunk conspiracy theories.  If you want to avoid criticism for pushing conspiracy theories, what you have to do is very simple.  Denounce them unequivocally.  Disown the Zeitgeist films and change the name of the movement, and get Merola to call a press conference in which he oozes contrition about how sorry he is that he misled millions of people with his conspiracy movies.  Think that’s going to happen?  Not on your life.  Why?  Because half (or more) of his movement would desert him instantly, and the conspiracy theorists would accuse him of selling out or (God forbid!) being "brainwashed."

Merola’s argument—that we’re focusing on the wrong thing—combined with his unwillingness to distance himself from the conspiracy aspects of his movement indicates a disturbing point of view on his part.  He seems to think that pushing conspiracy theories is perfectly OK and acceptable if you’re doing it as part of a “good cause.”  This seems to be an “ends justifies the means” approach, which frankly bothers me, and which is evident in a lot of Merola’s public statements (and non-statements).  Despite his films being repeatedly debunked, he refuses to retract any of the factual errors in them more consequential than a typo.  That must be because he either believes his own factually faulty propaganda—which is, frankly, not a hopeful sign in the leader of a social movement—or that he thinks pushing factually spurious information is perfectly acceptable if it’s done in the service of a positive goal.  Whichever one it is, his trustworthiness as the messenger of a bold new day for humanity is seriously compromised.

Moving toward the end of Merola’s statement:

“Once again, please note that this isnt as much about the published content of the site itself and its direct attacks towards me and TZM... My concern here is really the cultural phenomenon of “mind lock” and the large scale mental illness which continues to stifle new information and hence intellectual growth. It is really quiet scary when you think about it, and it goes to show what an uphill battle something like The Zeitgeist Movement has to contend with.”

So, there you have it.  If you disagree with the Zeitgeist Movement, you are suffering from “large-scale mental illness.”  If you disagree with Peter Merola, you ought to have your head examined.  And precisely what credentials does Merola have to diagnose anyone with mental illness anyway?  Oh, yeah.  Sorry, I forgot the "Hitler's Volkswagen" argument.

“In the end, the merit of any idea should be based on the evidence available, scientifically analyzed in an objective way... not dismissed/clouded because the idea is contrary to the traditional, prevailing world views and values. If no one ever challenged anything the established orders decreed as the sole truth, people would still believe the world was flat.”

This is merely a rehash of conspiracy theorists’ “sheeple” argument spiced up with a lot of pseudo-sociological words.  This offhanded comment also demonstrates Merola’s ignorance of epistemology: even in the Middle Ages not very many people really believed the world was flat.  But even assuming they did, it’s another argument conspiracy theorists love to make: that anyone who rejects their baseless claims is being as willfully obstinate and closed-minded as the apocryphal Renaissance geographers who sneered at Columbus’s idea that the world was round, despite demonstrable scientific and geographic evidence that it is.  Merola here again ignores the issue of factual support.  By casting skeptics of conspiracy theories as flat-Earthers he wants you to assume that all the facts are on their side and it’s just “Intellectual Bigotry” that prevents us from considering them.  In fact it is conspiracy theories that suffer from a total lack of evidentiary support.  But that doesn’t seem to matter to Peter Merola.

“The “Intellectual Inhibition” occurring in society is likely the number one barrier we have in presenting our case for RBE. Human beings are not rational, sadly, so I hope everyone understands what we mean when we say that education is the number one priority.”

In this closing statement Merola draws a picture of the world that is carefully designed both to frighten his followers and to play into the chief conceit of conspiracy theorists: that they are privy to “secret truths” that no one else can or will see, and that they alone hold the key to the salvation of mankind.  See, look how badly the deck is stacked against you brave Zeitgeisters!  By connecting ConspiracyScience.com to what Merola characterizes as the larger problem of society, he also conveniently establishes an “us vs. them” mentality.  Society is wrong; the Zeitgeist Movement is right.  Those who disagree are mentally ill; those who agree are healthy and well-adjusted.  Edward Winston is evil; Peter Joseph is good.  This bunker mentality never bodes well for social movements, and it won’t for this one.

Ultimately, that’s what this is about: bunker mentality.  ConspiracyScience.com gets a tiny fraction of the page views that Zeitgeist-related websites get every day.  Being “sheeple,” we debunkers aren’t likely to convince many of the conspiracy theorists in the Zeitgeist Movement that what they believe in is without any factual support; many think we’re disinformation, COINTELPRO or Illuminati shills, or at the very least a bunch of deranged crazies who dance around bonfires at midnight and gleefully plunge pins into voodoo dolls of Peter Merola and Jacque Fresco.  To the extent it is comforting to Zeitgeisters reading this article, we probably won't have much effect on the Zeitgeist Movement as a whole, though we do feel it is important to at least cast a critical eye on what that movement stands for and the factual inaccuracies of the movies that spawned it, so people who may not have heard of the movement will at least bring up a couple of hits on Google that present the facts as opposed to Merola's glossy spin.  And, contrary to what people may think, I have no fear that if Edward’s site didn’t exist or if I wasn’t a debunker, the Zeitgeist Movement would take the world by storm and gain some sort of critical mass.  It won’t.  I'm not that important, and neither is Edward.  The Zeitgeist Movement will collapse of its own accord without any help from its critics.  Merola could have just ignored Edward's site (the way Alex Jones does) and carried on as normal; it's doubtful he would have lost many followers.  We criticize Alex Jones all the time.  He doesn't pay any attention.  One time a caller to his show mentioned this site, and Jones shut him down immediately; it just wasn't worth his time.  Why, then, does Merola care?

I think the reason that Merola has focused on ConspiracyScience.com as a threat is because it benefits his movement to have an external enemy on which to focus their criticism and galvanize action.  It's easy to have an external enemy, and it fosters internal cohesion because it reinforces what the members of the movement want to believe.  Don’t question Merola or the Venus Project or a resource-based economy.  It’s their fault, those Intellectual Bigots over at ConspiracyScience!  They want us to believe that Jesus existed, that Osama did 9/11 and that the evil bankers are your friends!  Now let's go build a resource based economy!

Good luck with that, Peter and Jacque.

October 28, 2009

Canadian truther fundamentalist or genius troll?

Filed under: September 11th — Tags: , , , , — Special Ed @ 08:11

Poe's Law states:
"Without a winking smiley or other blatant display of humor, it is impossible to create a parody of Fundamentalism that SOMEONE won't mistake for the real thing."

Meaning that real fundamentalism is very difficult to tell apart from parodies of it. This guy almost certainly isn't a troll, because trolls tend to come up with better content to keep the troll going, instead of repeating the same stupid things.

For the sake of making things clear, I realize that most Canadians aren't this incredibly stupid, so don't worry, I still think Canada is tops.

This was taken from a discussion on our Facebook group, this guy was too crazy not to share with the rest of you. If you're a conspiracy theorist, or truther, it's probably a good idea to push away people who go crazy when talking to those who don't agree with them, as it makes you all look crazy as hell too.

johnny-is-crazy2

So if you didn't catch that anyone who disagrees with him:

  1. Is a sheep.
  2. Must be crazy to think typing in all caps is anything but scholarly.
  3. Is a nerdy shit bag.
  4. Must be retarded to want sources for anything.
  5. Is not a real man.
  6. Has no balls.
  7. Is a stupid American.
  8. Is a girl.
  9. Is angry, despite not being angry at all, and himself raging against everyone that's typed in the thread.
  10. Is an ignorant American.
  11. Is a part of the problem; implied by saying everyone else is a part of it.
  12. Probably voted for Bush.
  13. Is an accessory to mass murder.
  14. Can suck his Canadian dick
  15. Is a useless wad of shit.

And he managed to do all of this without providing so much as an Alex Jones movie as proof of his claims, he provided nothing at all, and got very angry when asked to show evidence. Apparently it's OK for him to be mad, but he can make fun of others for "being angry" in his eyes.

I asked him four simple questions and he simply did not have the capacity to answer them. Probably because it would have required him to organize his thoughts and think for himself. It's must easier to watch a video on youtube or google video and get angry than it is to research and think about something, but rest assured, if you are the type of person to do a lot of thinking, there will always be people like Johnny to make you happy that you did.

Now that's the search for truth!

September 16, 2009

What I learned about conspiracy theorists

Filed under: September 11th, Upcoming Movies, Zeitgeist — Tags: , — Special Ed @ 10:08

While looking around for new 9/11 conspiracies I found an interesting article that uses sarcasm to talk about conspiracy theorists: What I Learned

I think it's absolutely one of the best reviews of the 9/11 conspiracy theorist mindset I've ever seen. I want to share some of my favorite lines from it.

  • The silence of the thousands of military & civilian authorities who must have been involved in order to pull off such a widespread conspiracy and the silence of the true witnesses and recovery/cleanup volunteers can be easily explained by the government buying their silence. Thousands. And it's worked perfectly, since nobody actually part of the conspiracy has stepped forward.
  • Top Pentagon officials suspiciously and abruptly cancelled travel plans on Sept. 10 for the next morning, apparently due to security concerns, so they were obviously part of the plot. They cancelled their travel so they could stay where it was safe. In their office building. In the Pentagon.
  • If the 9-11 Commission report is flawed or incomplete, it obviously means that the attacks were orchestrated by the United States, not that the report was simply...flawed. Or incomplete.
  • The U.S. is actually quite popular worldwide; so much so, in fact, that its government must create artificial terrorist organizations to attack it. Left to their own devices, everybody else pretty much respects Americans and leaves them alone.
  • It takes the complacency or cooperation of the world's largest superpower to hijack a defenseless civilian aircraft.
  • The WTC towers fell in what was obviously a controlled demolition. The largestmessiestdeadliest, most witnessed, most mismanaged, most ill-timed, most poorly executed, and most uncontrolled controlled demolition in history.
  • Those plane crashes were like so totally fake cuz they were so totally unlike all the real fiery passenger jet crashes into buildings I've seen in real life.
  • When you refer to the planes, say "alleged aircraft." When referring to the terrorists, say "alleged terrorists." Because not only can we not be sure they even existed, but also, "alleged" has such a nice, objective ring to it.
  • The same nefarious conspirators that pulled off the single largest concerted suicide attack in history forgot to make a hole in the Pentagon to help fakethe airliner impact site.
  • Incompetence, being unprepared, not foreseeing events, rushed decisions, finger pointing, blame trading, and hysteria equal "conspiracy."
  • More information only muddles "the truth:" The most accurate and complete reports of any disaster are from selections of the first hurried reports, not from more complete, thoughtful analysis and more thorough eyewitness reports that come later
  • When we hear witnesses describing "something like a bomb going off" in the Pentagon, we should ignore subsequent (and concurrent) eyewitness reports of a rather large passenger jet flying into exactly the same spot, and ignored reports and photos of engines, landing gear, other aircraft parts, aircraft passengers, and other debris being found on and in the site, and absolutely no evidence of any explosive.
  • No buildings in history ever fell because of fire until 9-11. And if the WTC towers were the first modern, steel structures to collapse by fire, it is not a testament to the intelligent engineering put into the design of skyscrapers in general, but only evidence that the WTC was brought down by other means. No, I don't mean by airplanes filled with thousands of pounds of fuel ramming into them, I mean by a bomb.
  • Steel supports must liquify at their melting point of 3000°F in order to weaken and fail, and everything that metalurgists and engineers have told us about heat of only about 700°Fweakening steel is false, and for thousands of years, metal workers like blacksmiths and armorers have just had it all wrong, because they only needed large blast furnaces, spigots, and molds to form horseshoes, swords, and plowshares from liquid metal, and they didn't need a hammer and anvil, as you see in Hollywood movies' special effects.
  • It doesn't make sense that remains of the hijackers and passengers, who hit the sides of mostly open-spaced office buildings at hundreds of miles an hour and ejected out the other side, were some of the first remains discovered, and not under thousands of tons of rubble straight down. The body parts must have been planted on streets, on the roofs of buildings, and through broken windows by burglars. Or something.
  • If video is poor quality, or with low frame rates (like with a surveilance film), it must be fake.
  • The WTC towers fell straight down (more or less), which proves that it was a controlled demolition. If it were a true building falling down, it would havefallen over like a popsicle stick.
  • Although video clearly shows smoke and debris being blown out the pancaking WTC upper floors as the floors collapse against each other, but video of planned, controlled building demolitions clearly shows bright flashes of explosions before the building begins collapsing, the explosives planted in the towers must be some new super-secret kind because the explosive effect obviously goes back in time and starts the collapse of the building before the explosions throw stuff out the windows. So now there's the whole "Government Stuff Can Travel Through Time" consipiracy, and don't get me started.
  • George W. Bush is at once America's most deviously intelligent autocrat and its most stupidest president ever.
  • When an eyewitness describes a loud sound or strong, sudden vibration as "like a bomb," it means unequivocally that it was a bomb, because, you know, people have so much experience identifying bomb noises versus nearby passenger jet crashes
  • 99.9% of the world's top engineers, architects, physicists, and chemists are all wrong, and I am right, because I read the Intarweb and I am so smart.

And the most telling:

  • If I repeat the same absurd claims enough times, they will become truth: There are over 6.5 billion people in the world, and about 1.1 billion of those people use the Internet. Chances are, I could claim anything on the Web, and at a million-to-one odds, over a thousand people would believe me. In the age of the Internet, that makes me an expert.
  • can't be wrong because thousands of people believe my theories. But you can be wrong even though hundreds of millions believe you, because we all know there are millions of stupid people in the world.
  • Any information that comes from the government is suspect, because everybody knows that "the government" is one vast conspiracy utterly controlled by a small number of evil-doers, not made up of millions of honest, hard-working people, at all levels of bureaucracy, of all ages, of all parties, of all walks of life, each fighting in their own way for truth, justice, and the American way.
  • The government has a track record of blowing up its own buildings to push its own nefarious agenda, like they did in the Oklahoma City bombing and the 1993 WTC attack, because, you know, those attacks enabled the government to, you know,... do stuff, and stuff. So you can see this isn't a new idea for them.

Who am I kidding? The whole thing is great, check it out!

In other news, my review of the Zeitgeist Radio Address is going to wait, because Peter Joseph implied that there will be another show debunking the debunkers, but if the next show is a regular show then I'll just finish it up. I'm trying to better allocate my time here, especially with that new Alex Jones movie coming out in 2 days.

QOTD, From Prison Planet:

!crazy-0017

September 15, 2009

Pat from Screw Loose Change challenges Charlie Sheen

Filed under: Alex Jones, September 11th — Tags: , , , — Special Ed @ 07:00

Charlie Sheen released a statement shortly after his imaginary interview with the president challenging anyone who disagrees with him to debate him on Larry King Live:

[ Reuters ] Appearing on The Alex Jones Show today to discuss his video address to Barack Obama, Charlie Sheen has challenged those who have publicly attacked him for speaking out on 9/11, particularly Meghan McCain, Rush Limbaugh Sean Hannity and Bill O'Reilly, to debate him on CNN's Larry King Live.

Pat from the blog Screw Loose Change, one of the most popular 9/11 debunking sites, if not the most well known, stated:

[ Screw Loose Change ] I Accept Charlie Sheen's Challenge

Let's roll.

Chuck, I'm publicly attacking you for speaking out on 9-11. I promise not to bring up your hookers or your divorces or your drug use; I promise to keep the debate solely on the evidence presented in your video address to President Obama.

So what do you say? Have your people contact my people.

So, will Sheen accept? Probably not. I'd love to see it happen, but I don't think he would even dream of doing it. The only thing I can imagine is if Sheen is more crazy than he's letting on (likely), but we'll see.

QOTD, from Facebook:
!JREF-34e9ekj

September 8, 2009

Jones' big announcement: Fake interview with the president

Filed under: Alex Jones, September 11th — Tags: , , — Special Ed @ 14:54

Updates: See the end of this article on page 2 for updates.

The links to the articles for the big announcement are below:

http://www.prisonplanet.com/twenty-minutes-with-the-president.html

http://www.prisonplanet.com/charlie-sheen-requests-meeting-with-obama-over-911-cover-up.html

Basically the first article deals with an "interview" between Charlie Sheen and President Barack Obama about the events of 9/11. It all seems pretty interesting, but there's a reason you haven't heard about such an interview yet, it's because of this line, at the very bottom of the interview:

Author's Note:  What you have just read didn't actually happen... yet.

Yes, the interview hasn't happened yet, but if you read the comments, many people think it's real. In Alex Jones radio show I was listening to, he implies that the interview is real and is a big deal.

It's completely fake! It's Truther fan-fiction!

--

In the second article, it's discussed how Sheen will be on Alex Jones' radio show, and also how Sheen exclusively released the "interview" to Prison Planet members. On Alex Jones radio show, Jones stated that "[Sheen] could have released this to the mass media but he wanted to keep the context correct", that's paraphrasing, but it was more or less said that way.

A lot of the comments in the post were either of disappointment that the interview was fake; calls to get over it; or statements saying that the fake interview looks bad.

I think I agree that the fake interview looks bad, because if it does indeed go viral as some members of Prison Planet are predicting, and it comes out it was fake, it will make Sheen look like a complete jackass.

I hate to break it to Prison Planet members and the Truth Movement, but most people do trust the mass media, even though you tell them not to, the truth movement is not the majority. If MSNBC, Fox News, CNN, HLN, etc decides to say Charlie Sheen is an asshole, most of America will agree with them. If you don't like that view, well that's too bad, but it's seriously the way it is.

Here are some comments that I liked:

From first article:

A lot of people seem to be quite upset about Jones and Sheen's move today:
!faj-1-8934289

Nothing brings the hammer of the president faster than a fake interview:
!faj-1-893389

As I said, Jones implies it's real on his show, it seems as though he's doing it on the site to a certin extent:
!faj-1-89234

Regardless of all of the comments that do say it's fake, there are still ones that say it's real, and the linked articles on Digg and Reddit still imply it's real and many people still believe so. Here's a comment from about half-way into the comments of the first article, clearly showing they did not read any of the other comments, like I'm sure most people won't:
!faj-1-83483

Comments go on to talk about how brave Sheen is, as if creating a fake interview takes big cojones. Though of course, you see people saying "he could ruin his career", but I think he wouldn't done that a long time ago when he came out as a truther. You know, when he was JAQing off.

(JAQ = Just Asking Questions)

In the "interview", Sheen says he voted for Obama, and now he wants his hope and change, but really when it comes to conspiracy theorists, the only thing they want is for their version of "truth" be real regardless of how many facts speak against it.

Several people claim that their posts saying it's fake are getting deleted, though it doesn't say on which site it is, or which article:

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From second article:

My feelings exactly:
!faj-2-9393

Again, more people claiming their comments being deleted:
!faj-9438492

A lot of posts talk about how the disclaimer was added some time after it was originally posted:
!faj-2-9493498

Again, similar story:
!faj-2-948923

And a great question I want an answer to; why if Obama is a puppet (as said in the Obama Deception) would interviewing him mean anything at all?:
!faj-2-jpdsa

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Based on everything said, it seems the original article went up on Prison Planet and Infowars with no disclaimer, then the disclaimer was added to the Prison Planet article sometime after 7:10 AM CST, however it wasn't added to the Infowars article until much later.

If you look at the Infowars interview, the comments say nothing about the disclaimer, and until around 9:19 AM (two hours after the change on Prison Planet) when the first comment mentions it, they still think it's real:

http://www.infowars.com/twenty-minutes-with-the-president/

!ioireiow

It's clear Jones was being sneaky here. There are apologists though, who say it's OK to lie to all of his fans in order to get the interview circulating, but I think it really goes to show how below the belt the leaders of the Truth Movement will hit in order to get their way - something they constantly criticize others for doing.

See the next page for more featured comments.

August 27, 2008

Interesting video on 9/11

Filed under: September 11th — Tags: , , — Special Ed @ 19:22

There is an interesting video about the attacks 9/11 at Youtube, and attempts to use "witnesses" and the like to prove bombs were planted.

Here it is

When watching this video you should count how many times someone says they heard another person say something about bombs. And how many times people say they heard an explosion, but don't mention anything about a bomb.

Basically, it comes down to this. Nearly all of the quotes in this video are taken out of context, implying they're talking about bombs, when they aren't. If they are talking about bombs, it's nearly always from a third party, and typically that person is never directly mentioned.

Simple fact: news casters are not structural engineers and just because they hear someone say something, does not make it fact when they repeat it.

And an important fact to mention, which they didn't, was that all the buildings had gas tanks for electric generators, in case of power failure. Naturally when those things catch on fire, they explode as well, and create a loud bang.

In the end, "I heard that..." isn't considered evidence of anything, much less science or fact. Just in the same way if someone said "I heard that someone saw a UFO", doesn't really make it true or science.

This video is not science and wouldn't hold up in court as evidence. Sorry, it's bullshot.