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I've heard it some in the anti-semitic community, but for the most part it's not that common from what I've seen.

Anyway, even if "Judea" declared war on Germany, who cares? The articles it shows came out after the Nazis already were clamping down on Jews, taking away their businesses, separating them from the population, and so forth. Jewish people abroad, especially in the United States and England were obviously pissed off about this, and held rallies, protests, etc. But, even as we see on that page, rallies in favor of Hitler, in favor of anti-semitism were much bigger, even in the United States.

Besides, what guns, tanks, planes, gas chambers, concentration camps, etc did a bunch of random individuals around the world have? None, but Germany did have these things and used them. Germany also spent several years building up to war, obviously it wasn't spontaneous.

It'd be like if today you had Hindus declaring war on the United States, but taking no action, just saying so, and then the US shuts down Hindu stores, gas stations, makes it illegal for non-hindus to marry them, and finally sets up concentration camps and kills millions of them. All without so much as a shot fired from one side. That's how insanely retarded the idea that "jews declared war on Germany so it was just defending itself" is.

The Jews didn't have Armies.

So, a better analogy than above would be if the United States said Hindus were bad, Hindus need to be separated, started shutting down businesses, etc. Then Hindus abroad "declared war" and then claiming that it was because they declared war that this was all done, even though it came after it had already started.

I found something on the "Law for the Restoration of the Professional Civil Service", but this wasn't signed in until April 7th of that year.

Excellent, thanks for all that! Just to be clear on one thing though... I've read that Hitler had been spouting anti-semetic things for many years prior to all this. And while the day of the German boycott on Jewish stores occurs after the Jewish boycott on German goods... the Jewish boycott was originally in response to Germany's (non-official policy) towards their Jewish citizens? In other words, as you say... the boycott just nationally enforced what was already occurring.

Sidebar: I wonder if Muertos will show up... I know he's been complaining about having nothing to debunk aside from global warming deniers and the occasional 9/11 truther. This might be a slightly refreshing breeze. :)

This reminds me of the libertarian fiction about the noninitiation of force. A government can claim that a group it wants to deal with harshly initiated force against it, then use that claim to justify doing what it wanted to do to this "enemy" any way. Governments rarely, if ever, admit they initiated force just for the hell of it.

@ Matt:

Vril, is a mysterious, vital force, which under the command of a skilled practitioner, can do all that was ascribed to the Force, and much more.

I wonder if you can collect and control Vril by decorating your house just right, like in feng shui.

Hitler was clearly heavily influenced by Martin Luther (the founder of protestantism) who wrote a book called On the Jews and Their Lies. I think almost anything in that book could easily have come out of Hilters mouth. He wrote about them being serpents and that we should burn down their schools and synagogues and destroy them, among other things.

>"I have no source, but I think I recall Peter Joseph quoting her or talking about her on one of his shows as well."<

I think Alex Jones tried to claim that Zeitgeist was a front for Blavatsky's Theosophical Society, which is the same thing as the NWO of course. PJ response on his show that he had never read Blavatsky:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6XiFsxF5po4

Interestingly, Blavatsky is cited as a source on the Zeitgeist site:

http://www.zeitgeistmovie.com/transcript.htm</p>

[S142] - Blavatsky, H. P.: The Secret Doctrine Vol 1, p 319-320

Has anyone read The Holy Reich by Richard Steigmann-Gall? I just got it. It apparently shows the influence of Christianity on the Nazis, and dispels some of the claims that the Nazi's were mainly influenced by occult groups.

Maybe dispel is not the word to use.

I don't think it's challenging established history. Have you ever seen some of the nonsense on the History Channel lately? A lot of the "Hitler and the Occult" stuff is exaggerated.

I think the word "occult" is overuse, and when the Nazis used pagan ideas or adapted ancient beliefs to fit their own, this was called "occult" even thought it isn't. I'm not sure many of the people who use the word "occult" actually know what it means, and likely confuse it with the word "pagan." I know some people likely believe they mean the same thing.

I also came across this article in discussing the Holocaust with some fellow Jews that I want to turn back away from the side of the storm-troopers.

Anyhow, to the article:

The term "war" is used in the article to refer to an economic boycott to cripple the Nazi regime. I agree that the language can be misleading.

But beyond that, the article discusses boycott and demonstrations by Jews in mostly in the US, by specific groups:

"On March 12, 1933 the American Jewish Congress announced a massive protest at Madison Square Gardens for March 27."

Apparently, these protests were covered in the Daily News paper, picture shown.

The article suggests that official German prosecution of Jews started in response, and that even WWII was started in response to the hardships created by these boycotts (the latter claim seems unfounded, and I will look over WWII history for this but wouldn't mind some quick notes).

The article then goes on to draw a Zionist-Hitler connection in getting Jews into Palestine.

It explains how the boycott and the ensuing hardship on Jews in Germany created a situation where the Jews would want to leave Germany. Through a Zionist economic agreement with the Nazi, it claims, Zionists secured Jewish passage to out of Germany and into Palestine, while at the same time had an interest in keeping Germany's economy strong to ensure transfer of Jewish capital along with the immigrants.

The arrangement is described in books by Walter Laqueur and Edwin Black, both of Jewish decent. Laqueur has written a book about anti-semitism. So it doesn't seem they are anti-semites.

The article also mentions that the English were charging 1,000 Sterling Pounds per Jewish German immigrant into their colony in Palestine during this time.

On a generally corroborating point, the mainstream-view documentary on Eichmann explains and shows how Eichmann was sent to Palestine to see if the Jews can be deported to there, if I recall correctly, but was found and sent back by the British.

Refutations?

I will have to deal with the Holocaust revisionism, soon, too, since some of these Jews think this event took the lives of far fewer Jews than reported and some do not believe in the gas chambers. I'm not sure where they are getting this stuff, and I'll have to figure that out before debunking it. Pointing to the evidence I've found for 6 million + gas chambers has not helped.

Back to this article:

It maybe isn't that far-fetched that Jews are prominent in a lot of business, media, government, etc. If there really is a large American Jewish boycott on something, it could be harmful to an already crippled economy.

This is not a justification for killing other Jews in Germany, by any means, but the point the CTs and (Jewish) 'anti-Zionists' try to make is that 'Zionism' is bad and that it had an interest in stirring up trouble for Jews in Germany which ended up leading to the Holocaust, and now has a vested interest in scaring Jews out of Iran (and invading Iran, different topic).

They try to establish precedence in pointing to other similar events such as those described first hand by Naeim Giladi. Naeim was an Iraqi Jew who claims the Haganah, a Jewish paramilitary group in Palestine (1920-48), bombed and killed Jews in Iraq to scare them of Arab anti-Semitism etc and get them to come to Palestine.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naeim_Giladi</p>

That is a different topic, but, if true, lends some credence to the possibly of such behavior on the part of Zionism in regards to Germany.

They also point to the Lavon Affair and the USS Liberty, but they use those mostly to establish precedence and tendency for the notion that Israel gets the US and others to fight its wars for them, as they say they've done with 9/11.

Thanks for taking the time to rebut as much as you can!

Ok, great! I'll use that link.

Don't mean to belabor the point, but anyone got more rebuttals to the rest of the narrative which I summarize in my last post?

Maybe he means the ones that aren't tied into the holocaust directly, namely the Lavon Affair and the USS liberty thing. Never heard of the Lavon Affair, but I've seen a lot of stuff about the USS liberty. There are plenty of varying accounts, but CT's try to paint it that even if it was an intentional strike by Israeli forces against a US ship that is somehow verifies all of their other theories. I don't know too much about the subject, so I couldn't say more. Sorry Geo.