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4) The oil spill will cause toxic rain that will destroy North America.

I received an email about this one from a guy who had gotten it from a Sorcha Faal site. I explained to him that oil won't evaporate into the atmosphere for the same reason salt doesn't. Another email I received, from a different person, talked about how the oil-caused "toxic rain" is the same as regular acid rain, however I did clear up that acid rain is caused by things like smoke in the atmosphere, it doesn't evaporate that way.

The original guy responded and cleared up he was talking about the dispersant chemical used Corexit. However, I mentioned that this same chemical was used in the Exxon Valdez oil spill and Alaska wasn't destroyed or suffered from toxic rain.

He responded yet again that apparently, as he understands it, the new version of Corexit they're using can apparently be evaporated. I don't know anything about a "new version" but seeing how it likely isn't pure water, I don't think it can be evaporated. Unfortunately I don't have much else to expand on regarding that, so if anyone does, please tell.

BTW ^^^^^SARCASM

Just ridiculous.

Here is what I wrote a CT on this, in general:

Cui Bono is not evidence.

To illustrate the fallacy of using it as such: If my neighbor slips on the stairs tomorrow and goes to my cousin to have his leg fixed, does that mean my cousin did it because he benefits? Come on now..

Here is my discussion with this same CT on this subject now:

Him:
Goldman-Sachs...always into shenanigans, sold $250 million of BP stock before the spill:

http://rawstory.com/rs/2010/0602/month-oil-spill-goldman-sachs-sold-250-million-bp-stock/<br /> 55 minutes ago

Him:
Here is another suspicious one:
"BP chief Tony Hayward sold shares weeks before oil spill"

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/newsbysector/energy/oilandgas/7804922/BP-chief-Tony-Hayward-sold-shares-weeks-before-oil-spill.html</p>

Him:
good timing, huh?
21 minutes ago

Me:
And how many times do stocks get sold without there being a disaster afterwards?

And maybe the chief had inside information that the drilling is more dangerous than others knew, and simply used that to his advantage. This doesn't show he purposely created the oil spill, but was possibly involved in something else, insider trading.

Him:
well it still looks suspicious that the CEO dumped stock in his own company a few weeks before this happened...that should be investigated

Me:
I agree. They should be investigated! And they should pay fines up the A$$!!

Him:
I also find it very suspicious that Dick Cheney's company Halliburton, which makes so much money off the Iraq and Afghan wars, just happened to acquire the company that is now helping to control the spill...just 1 week before the spill happened.

http://www.marketwatch.com/story/robbins-umeda-llp-announces-an-investigation-of-the-acquisition-of-boots-coots-inc-by-halliburton-co-2010-04-12?reflink=MW_news_stmp

Him:
And speaking of Halliburton, not only did they just buy the company helping to clean it up, but they also were working on that exact same rig 20 hours before it blew up! hahaha, must be a coincidence too.

"A Halliburton executive, Tim Probert, said the company safely finished a cementing operation 20 hours before the rig went up in flames. Probert said Halliburton completed work on the well according to accepted industry practice and at the direction of federal regulators."

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5hSsGsiZ18JYxHwuLGeC7Tu4T2nLwD9FK91N02</p>

Him:
Look at this New York Times article hmmmmm...

"BP Used Riskier Method to Seal Well Before Blast"

"Workers from the rig and company officials have said that hours before the explosion, gases were leaking through the cement, which had been set in place by the oil services contractor, Halliburton. Investigators have said these leaks were the likely cause of the explosion.

The approach taken by the company was described as the “best economic case” in the BP document. However, it also carried risks beyond the potential gas leaks, including the possibility that more work would be needed or that there would be delays, the document said."

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/05/27/us/27rig.html

Me:
Halliburton is a big player in this space. It isn't surprising they are involved very frequently. Beyond that, how does they prove the 'Zionists' did this for Israel?
11 minutes ago ·

Him:
I never said anybody did it for Israel...I just said it was an inside job...you were the one bringing Zionism and Israel into it!
6 minutes ago

Him:
But on that point, one thing I know for sure is that the oil spill is a distraction from other things going on in the world...every time I turn on the news they are talking about it, while ignoring other important events going on that should be talked about
5 minutes ago

Me:
Haha, so Cui Bono for Israel, right? Come on, say what you believe :)

Me:
And what exactly was gained by this oil spill for those that dumped the stock before they supposedly created it. If they hadn't created the spill, there stocks wouldn't have done down. But now they are likely going to face large fines, perhaps even on a personal level.

Weird coincidence also is that transocean joined the swiss index the same day as the explosion.
http://www.businessweek.com/ap/financialnews/D9G3NVJG0.htm</p>

I look at it like it could be a coincidence but then there are some evil people out there too. To bad the news media sucks so bad. When my great aunt was murdered they got half of the facts wrong on the news. When the decon at the church I went to school at tried to blow up his son and his mom on delta airlines the news(nytimes) said he tried to blow up his mom and three daughters and that it was American Airlines.

There are a lot of great examples of bad reporting, but most come from local news in my experience, which seem to have little or no fact checking at all.

>> What was on Obama's agenda when he came into office? Cap and Trade and Health Care. Health Care passed (if you could call what they did "pasing it"). Cap and Trade failed.

Health care reform only passed after being so trimmed down that it's basically useless beyond disallowing people being rejected/discontinued due to pre-existing conditions, and it doesn't take effect until 2014. I bet CTs still think public health passed.

I'm not sure how it's gaining sympathy for the environment, it's just pissing people off and punishing the oil industry, the exact opposite of what should happen in the grand conspiracy.

Even if we had single payer public healthcare and cap and trade in the US, what in the micky mouse fuck would that have to do with the New World Order or anything else? Tons of countries have single payer health care, tons have even more strict regulation of carbon output in the US.

Oh wait, I forgot. If it happens somewhere else, it's OK, but if it happens in the US, then it's a part of a vast conspiracy to destroy the United States -- even though it didn't destroy anyone else.

Other nations received single payer health care and stricter carbon regulation, and it was too early to connect the dots. Now that the US has it, it's clear that we're becoming like the rest of the world.

Ok, I guess some industry leaders (oil, energy, etc) are for the carbon tax, maybe a little more than cap and trade:

http://www.carbontax.org/who-supports/opinion-leaders/</p>

Why are they supporting this?

Do they simply also have something to gain from these taxes, such as lower supply and perhaps higher, longer profits?

Ie, a left-shift in the supply curve resulting from taxes and caps past a certain limit actually increases long-term and possibly short profits in the case of inelastic goods such as oil.

There is no conspiracy, this has happend before.

Has this been posted yet?

"OIL SPILL is fake !! its a volcano look at the flame's !! "
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=en9CoYb0OHs&feature=player_embedded

Description reads:

OIL SPILL fake !! its a volcano and I THINK ITS GONNA BLOW !! proof here Guatemala Sinkhole video and pictures 2012 ZION new world order 'barak obama is freemason Antichrist FEMA COFFINS' HARRP WEAPON 'end times Gulf of mexico oil spill California Earthquake Tsunami Prophecy nibiru agatha

I did think for a second that it was satire, but then I checked his channel :D

"flames, flames.... much flames!"

Sil, those are tags but check out his other videos. He is serious!

I find it interesting that this situation challenges both the ideologies of the right and the left. The right advocates letting corporations do whatever they want to make a profit -- so we saw where that led with BP. And the left wants the government to step in to solve the mess BP made -- but what can Obama do, short of diving into the Gulf and sealing the well with his super powers?

@atheist,

I'm fine with Obama's reaction to the Gulf disaster. He gave BP a chance at first to act in good faith, they didn't, so he pushed for an uncapped fund for cleanup and compensation.