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anticultistPosted: Apr 25, 2010 - 17:38
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Brainwashing you for money

Level: 15
CS Original

http://www.thezeitgeistmovement.com/joomla/index.php?option=com_kunena&Itemid=99999&func=view&catid=230&id=251858

Posted by: http://tools.whois.net/index.php?fuseaction=whois.whoisbyipresults

on my blog

This Ip is the same IP that had an email fight with Codie Vickers recently claiming to be peter Joseph @zeitgeistmedia email addie.

[ Moderator edit: The original forum thread on TZM has been deleted, here is a local backup, but it is not complete, it's only the first three pages. If you have more, please contact us.

http://conspiracyscience.com/citations/0/09044c7bb23a492ebca8c528ef98b2b154c08b66/<br /> http://conspiracyscience.com/citations/5/54d66bc4d7818b79cf7b739ef71edead5cf22b8c/<br /> http://conspiracyscience.com/citations/5/5d7d88c603a73890c3f90dd35edf9cdb8d1317ca/ ]

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MuertosPosted: Apr 25, 2010 - 17:58
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Meh, typical lame conspiracy theorist defense, wrapped in the multiple layers of erudite-sounding babble from Merola.

"If you don't believe in our conspiracy theories, you're closed-minded sheeple."
"If you insist on harping on all the stuff that's wrong in my movie, you're mentally ill."
"If you don't agree with the Venus Project, you just don't understand."
"They've never really debunked anything."
"They're stalkers and trolls over there."

Very Ben-esque, to be sure. Still, great that the Leader himself came down from his ivory tower to take us on. This should drive some more traffic to Edward's site at least.

Amusing read for a Sunday afternoon! Now excuse me, I have to go take my Thorazine and bang my head against the wall repeatedly. Doc says if I show improvement I can be out of here in 6 months...

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Agent MattPosted: Apr 25, 2010 - 18:11
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I don't know why they keep claiming those who disagree with TVP don't understand it.

I do understand it, which is precisely why I disagree with it.

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anticultistPosted: Apr 25, 2010 - 18:29
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Brainwashing you for money

Level: 15
CS Original

Hes going stir crazy in his London hotel room

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Edward L WinstonPosted: Apr 25, 2010 - 18:33
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President Dwayne Elizondo Mountain Dew Herbert Camacho: porn star and five-time ultimate smackdown wrestling champion!

Level: 150
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I can't believe PJ addressed my site directly by name, for a long time he never did. I guess now he feels fairly secure in the bunker movement he's created for himself. My site has been around for at least 2 1/2 years, and I figured the reason PJ never mentioned me is because he didn't actually feel that threatened by me, he must now believe I can hurt his movement and his Peter-centric ideology if he's going out of his way now to go on and on about me, calling me mentally ill, and so forth.

I think maybe he misspelled the domain so people wouldn't automatically go there right away, but that's just a guess.

It's fairly obvious to me at this point he's getting more and more wrapped up with pushing the outside world and critics away, which has never worked for any movement.

But I will say this much - the only thing he debunked in this article is his own intentions, which are to glorify himself by tearing down his much more knowledgeable contemporaries.

I love seeing people trying to convince themselves of weird shit about me. Peter Joseph calling me mentally ill is no different than hearing Jim Jones say the same thing, I think it's hilarious, and sad.

I've had this Zeitgeist stuff up for a long time, and it's the least of my concerns now, he's obviously looking for that "external enemy" to unite his base and focus on. I wouldn't be surprised if he eventually created a whole anti-Conspiracy Science/anti-Edward L Winston site or series of articles eventually. He needs something for his members to focus on, because he can't deliver on anything other than "spreading the word" and "october we'll have a new movie!"

This really convinces me of one thing I, and others, have been saying for a long time: Peter Joseph is never wrong and he's infallible.

Seen it all before, no captain can keep his ship from sinking by telling his men that the people in the life boats are mentally ill.

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Agent MattPosted: Apr 25, 2010 - 18:36
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Genuine American Monster

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I just think Merola is an ageing hipster who is running out of time before he has to get a real job. I don't think he's mentally ill or anything, just spoiled and immature. Pretty ballsy to sit back and provide analysis like that with his background.

Funny reading his armchair psycho-analysis of Edward. Ironic how such things are useful when you need them, and tools of the monetary system and the status quo when you don't.

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Edward L WinstonPosted: Apr 25, 2010 - 18:41
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President Dwayne Elizondo Mountain Dew Herbert Camacho: porn star and five-time ultimate smackdown wrestling champion!

Level: 150
CS Original

I agree Matt, unlike him I wouldn't stoop to "he must be mentally ill" because I disagree with him. Obviously, he doesn't have the actual intellectual capacity to prove what he claims, other than bullshit sources. Essentially "I'm right, period, and if you disagree, you're mentally ill! I hate you Edward!"

His entire post seems like a reflection of how people view him, and he says it all without any sense of irony.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v297/black-electron/didntread.gif</p>

It's really bizarre that he takes a few different people posting on my forums to be some kind of movement against him. This is classic narcissistic behavior, and combined with his inability to be incorrect, or allow his leaders to have their own opinions or even to consider those opinions... his movement is really just one long pornographic masterpiece to stroke his ego. He knows it's losing steam, he has to find some kind of external enemy to have his members focus on, just like you see in many dictatorships and cults, because he's unable to deliver on his promises.

We'll only see more of this as his movement falls apart, as referenced in my other post about creating some sort of ant-CS/ELW site/article. It doesn't necessarily have to be against me either, it can be against anyone that he thinks will keep his members from asking "what do we do now?" and "what's the point of this?"

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Agent MattPosted: Apr 25, 2010 - 18:44
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Genuine American Monster

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Being the admin of a message board and an art school dropout is enough to diagnose people with mental illnesses isn't it?

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Edward L WinstonPosted: Apr 25, 2010 - 18:48
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President Dwayne Elizondo Mountain Dew Herbert Camacho: porn star and five-time ultimate smackdown wrestling champion!

Level: 150
CS Original

It obviously is Matt. See, Peter is never wrong, therefore I must be mentally ill, despite having a stable job, family, and not pretending to change the world and having a bunch of nerds online worship me and my opinions as infallible.

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Agent MattPosted: Apr 25, 2010 - 18:49
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Genuine American Monster

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Also he plays a huge xylophone.

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anticultistPosted: Apr 25, 2010 - 18:50
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Brainwashing you for money

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I hope peter liked that gif as much as I did.

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Edward L WinstonPosted: Apr 25, 2010 - 18:51
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President Dwayne Elizondo Mountain Dew Herbert Camacho: porn star and five-time ultimate smackdown wrestling champion!

Level: 150
CS Original

I'm sticking this topic for everyone to see, because unlike Peter, I'm not afraid for people to see opinions counter to mine and won't hide what he has to say, no matter how incredibly delusional it is.

I've got more, anticultist, regarding TZM's belief in pseudo-science:

http://i801.photobucket.com/albums/yy300/di_gifs/15mlhjdjpg.gif

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Agent MattPosted: Apr 25, 2010 - 18:51
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Genuine American Monster

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Juggalos are more successful as a movement than Zeitgeist.

That's fuckin' sad.

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Edward L WinstonPosted: Apr 25, 2010 - 18:53
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President Dwayne Elizondo Mountain Dew Herbert Camacho: porn star and five-time ultimate smackdown wrestling champion!

Level: 150
CS Original

That's my point Matt, lol. Even Esperanto has more success! If I could say that in Esperanto, I would.

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Edward L WinstonPosted: Apr 25, 2010 - 19:02
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President Dwayne Elizondo Mountain Dew Herbert Camacho: porn star and five-time ultimate smackdown wrestling champion!

Level: 150
CS Original

Here's some customer feed back:

>> And OMG! What is the guy's problem with a freakin' $5 DVD?!!!! That's a bargain on any street-corner. I guess he's saying Mr. Joseph has claimed not to be making any money at all off the movies, which he has not to my knowledge.

This guy totally missed the point of that article. It was because people kept emailing me and posting on forums that he "can't possibly" be making any money because DVDs cost $5 to make and $2 to ship.

>> Small things like Peter referring to "God's Sun" as a staging device for "God's Son" are completely irrelevant to the information content. But Mr. Winston makes a 2-paragraph rebuttal out of it that rebuts absolutely nothing.

Great to know God's Sun really equal God's Son.

>> The section on 9/11 is full of broad, sweeping statements that, in my opinion, are much less credible than Mr. Joseph's take on the event.

Hilarious.

>> Example: "I just have to wonder why someone who was committing suicide the next day would need $100,000." Seriously? You can't understand why someone who was about to supposedly embark on the most massive terrorist operation in history might need money? 19 airline tickets is one expense that comes to mind right off the top of my head

Hilarious, still. I guess the airline tickets were like $5,300 a piece then? Were they all taking multiple trips on the concord?

>> Frankly, by the time I got through all his "probably's," "imagine's," "supposedly's," and "imply's," I felt I was reading the work of a zealous simpleton. I even found one outright lie, when Mr. Winston accuses Mr. Joseph of calling the Founding Fathers "ruthless banking interests."

Oh neos, he piontd out mi typoes, that must meen hes reely smort.

>> You should be flattered, though, Peter, that he at least gave us the courtesy of our own Zeitgeist tab at the top of the home page.

The tabs are created automatically one what people view, except "Home" and "More" which are static. Meaning 9/11 and Alex Jones are still more popular topics for people to read here than Zeitgeist.

No matter how bad things get, even if he has 10 members, he'll have die-hard defenders until the very end.

Even David Icke is yet more popular than Peter Joseph and Jacque Fresco combined!

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MuertosPosted: Apr 25, 2010 - 19:03
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Paid Disinformation Blogger

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CS Original

"Egale Esperanto havas pli sukceson!" ?

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Sil the ShillPosted: Apr 25, 2010 - 20:11
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>>"The issue I want to address here has nothing to do with the supposed “Debunking” of my films on the website, but rather the tactics, mentality and what I can only classify as a biased based mental illness of its author, Edward L Winston, along the near pathological nature of the rather Anti-TZM community it has fostered."

The hilarious thing is that there's maybe only like 10 regular posters on this forum.

Edit: "If people are mere “Conspiracy Theorists” since they have different conclusions than the prevailing order in regard to some events, then it is only logical that all those who denounce such ideas be labeled “Coincidence Theorists”!"

He's even stealing Plautus' jokes!

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Edward L WinstonPosted: Apr 25, 2010 - 20:15
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President Dwayne Elizondo Mountain Dew Herbert Camacho: porn star and five-time ultimate smackdown wrestling champion!

Level: 150
CS Original

@Sil,

I know, that is hilarious, I don't know why he thinks I'm so popular. I wouldn't even say 10, I can think of 7 off the top of my head, and at least two are conspiracy theorists, and one seems to be dangerously on the fence. I'm not gonna name names, I would never do that (also hilarious).

Maybe he and Plautus are the same person, oh no, conspiracy theory... I mean coincidence theory, or... wait, what?

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SkyPosted: Apr 25, 2010 - 22:37
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"Coincidence Theorist" is a term that a lot of conspiracy theorist types seem to use to describe people who don't see the world as on big conspiracy. I remember a certain individual who used to post here every day long before Plautus showed up calling us coincidence theorists.

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EricPosted: Apr 25, 2010 - 23:36
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Oooh baby, baby, baby, baby, ... EEE baby, baby, baby.

Level: 1
CS Original

This could not be more accurate:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v297/black-electron/didntread.gif</p>

Here is why:

“I have been getting many complaints from people who claim that I did not read the Companion Guide, so therefore I cannot debate the movie. My first argument against that is I was debating the facts in the movie, which does not include whatever is written in an e-book by another author.”

What is really being stated here is: “I refuse to research anything in regard to the sources of this information.”

His final statement shows what an absolute liar (or idiot) Peter is; Edward does address the information in the book:

http://conspiracyscience.com/articles/zeitgeist/companion-guide/</p>

The reason Peter says at the beginning:

The issue I want to address here has nothing to do with the supposed “Debunking” of my films on the website, but rather the tactics, mentality and what I can only classify as a biased based mental illness of its author, Edward L Winston

...is because he knows addressing the issues would point out whether he is right or wrong. Peter is an individual who cannot be caught in the position of ever being wrong, which is why he has never admitted to it and why he addresses claims against him: either by avoiding the central issue with red herrings or by attempting to "undebunk" minor issues in order to avoid much larger issues on hand, but still look like he has "undebunked" them.

I agree with Edward that Acharya S does lie and it does not take a lot of effort to see how true this is. Peter will always have to support her, because if he were to abandon her he would indirectly admit he was incorrect in Zeitgeist Part I, thereby admitting himself to be wrong. Stated previously, he is incapable of being incorrect.

A reply I read earlier is accurate in that the depiction of Edward in the forum post is reflective of how Peter believes others view him. He is simply projecting his own fears onto others. The assessment of his narcissism and using Edward to distract his members is likely accurate (at least the narcissism part).

I have read through that entire thread, which was a complete waste of time and effort on my part, and the described "bunker mentality" and "cult mentality" of (at least) the central membership and leadership of the Zeitgeist Movement is fairly accurate. This will eventually destroy his movement and a third film will likely renew interest, but it will not last if Peter remains in-charge.

Just like the Zeitgeist Movement nobody knows who Edward is and nobody cares. Peter's post only serves to stroke his own ego and for him to be reassured that his positions are infallible and the Edward is just some psycho on the Internet.

Go where you belong from now on - into the dustbin of history!
- Trotsky

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Edward L WinstonPosted: Apr 26, 2010 - 00:22
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President Dwayne Elizondo Mountain Dew Herbert Camacho: porn star and five-time ultimate smackdown wrestling champion!

Level: 150
CS Original

Well you're obviously in on it.

Peter doesn't care that I *do* support the Venus Project, he only cares about himself and his movement, in the sense that its *his* movement not *a* movement. I guess he might also hate me because I don't ban people just because they disagree. Right, Danny? If I were more like Peter Joseph, I'd just say you had the wrong idea and ban you like Ed.

Since I disagree with his opinions in the movie, I'm an enemy and insane.

Here's my picture:

http://blog.bigwebapps.com/bigpicture/images/2008/02/20/charlesmanson.jpg</p>

Be back later, I need to go sort my jars of urine.

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Edward L WinstonPosted: Apr 26, 2010 - 01:33
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Level: 150
CS Original

>>>> And OMG! What is the guy's problem with a freakin' $5 DVD?!!!! That's a bargain on any street corner. I guess he's saying Mr. Joseph has claimed not to be making any money at all off the movies, which he has not claimed to my knowledge.
>> Such things are invented to make a psychological profile that I am "dishonest" or "lying" to people.

I guess this page doesn't exist: http://zeitgeistmovie.com/dvdorder.htm ?

>> . For instance, since the release of the article, it's like a beehive that has been wacked over on their forum, where the people there have gone full force with as much hate speech as they can come up with, including Edward who has, like a racist pushed in a corner with logic and reason, now has no recourse but to call me every name he can find.

Yes, thanks for the hits, in fact I made an extra $2 -- hey I could order a DVD, oh no wait, just the shipping. You know what, I'll donate not only that $2 but all of my ad money from today to charity. That's because I know they won't be getting any money from you any time soon.

>> Suddenly there is a banner up in the Zeitgist section that tries to draw attention to this article and twists the argument, as would be expected, that I am simply calling Edward "Crazy", with the strawman that is has something to do with the infomration itself on his website, or people not "agreeing with me".

Suddenly, I saw he called me mentally ill, and now he's claiming my pointing that out is a straw-man? Is he serious or just joking around? This definitely is in the arena of Poe's Law. Comparing me to a racist isn't a straw man either.

>> I couldn't care less if people agree with me or not.

He probably should, considering if people disagree with him, it will work counter to his potential "success" for his movement.

>> This has nothing to do with that- it is just another escapism...likely a pathological one.

Just like convincing yourself that you'll be so big that you'll be in Madison Square Garden next year and then when next year is a bust, pretend like none of that ever happened. Or maybe escapism as in pretending 350,000 people on a mailing list is equivalent to active members in your movement. Or never saying "I was wrong" ever. Or pretending as if having the mass media against you -- which they will be if he's ever covered to a great degree -- is irrelevant. I guess nobody else remembers Howard Dean. Maybe all that isn't necessarily escapism, but it's definitely delusional.

I'm just a guy running a crappy blog with 3K page views a day, and I'm not pretending to change the world. He goes out of his way, even when Skeptic Magazine covered his film, and points me out as some enemy. I'm a nobody, he's supposed to be the glorious leader, yet I warrant a forum post?

>> In the end, it is really disheartening how nothing it given critical intellectual review. I'm going to leave it at this. I'm not here in the interest to "change" anyone and my focus is not on CS as an institution - it is about the sickness in the society where people would rather immediately seek reasons hate you, without even really knowing you, than find common ground.

Actually, he's right, I didn't like him when he was a Ron Paul supporter, said "God's Sun = God's Son", sourced Alex Jones, and Helena Blavatsky, oh and he was arrogant as shit. That isn't to say I'm not arrogant, but I'm not pretending to be a saint.

I'm sure you're going to read this Peter. Good luck with your movement, you'll change the world in no time by getting everyone huddled together and turning the outside world into a monster.

When I turn off my computer The Zeitgeist Movement and Peter Joseph cease to exist, they have absolutely no impact on the real world. The same is true for me, of course, but then again I haven't been claiming to be changing the world for over a year, I'm just some asshole on the Internet. That's at least two things Peter and I have in common.

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SkyPosted: Apr 26, 2010 - 01:47
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I like this part:

The section on 9/11 is full of broad, sweeping statements that, in my opinion, are simply much less credible than Mr. Joseph's take on the event, and frequently demonstrate the limits of Mr. Winston's intellect.

Its just cut and pasted from other sites, actually.

No it isn't just cut and pasted from other sites, most of the basic information itself can be found on other sites, however, when Edward made the site in 2007 the 9/11 issue had already been debated to death, so it was inevitable. But the 9/11 section in Zeitgeist is LITERALLY cut and pasted from other 9/11 movies!

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Edward L WinstonPosted: Apr 26, 2010 - 01:57
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Level: 150
CS Original

The original 9/11 section was copied from other sites, but not copy/pasted like his Part 2 of his film. All the topics at the time were already discussed everywhere, it was easier to take the ideas, check them out, check the sources, and so forth. At the time literally no one came to my site, it was only used to expand upon stuff in Zeitgeist -- all of which had been done, because as Sky pointed out, all of it was taken from other movies.

I mean, it's not like a conspiracy theorist would ever just take stuff from anyone else! The 9/11 section has been edited, corrected, I have a lot of my own stuff in there now, Dave's stuff, and so forth. Instead of saying how my 9/11 section is wrong, he can only point out that the topics have also been covered elsewhere.

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SkyPosted: Apr 26, 2010 - 02:08
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For instance, since the release of the article, it's like a beehive that has been wacked over on their forum, where the people there have gone full force with as much hate speech as they can come up with, including Edward who has, like a racist pushed in a corner with logic and reason, now has no recourse but to call me every name he can find.

Hate Speech? Racist? Because we call people names like "Douchebag"? Oh big fucking deal, like that's so much worse then saying someone is mentally ill. Poor Peter is just trying to expose the sickness in society while us racists sling our hate speech. What a bunch of high horse mentality crap. I mean seriously, that's just funny.

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EdPosted: Apr 26, 2010 - 04:50
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/delurk/

I am quite busy right now but I have been lurking, I just had to reply to this subject.

I remember one time that Peter said he writes better than he speaks? Or maybe it was the other way round... either way he is clearly a terrible writer. When I hear him talk he sounds decent and logical (assuming you ignore what he is saying) but when he posts stuff like this he just sounds like every other conspiracy theorist woo defender I've heard. It seems to me that people seem to show their true colours more often than not in written debates so the more Peter writes like this the worse he makes himself look.

I would love to debate a truther that calls me a "coincidence theorist" since its so damn stupid. All these "coincidences" are based on lies and half truths, ie. if you know the background or what REALLY happened... its not so coincidental. Building 7 for example, the BBC reported that collapse early... what a coincidence! Well not really since EVERYONE was saying Building 7 was going to collapse and the FDNY knew it was probably going to hours earlier. The passport found at the WTC site, such a coincidence that it survived the fireball! Well, not so much a coincidence when you realise that LOTS of stuff from the plane fell on the streets below and LOTS of perishable stuff survived the fireball which turns the claim on its head and requires conspirators to have planted not just a passport but all that wreckage and debris under the noses of horrified New Yorkers without them noticing.

But I digress...

I hope he does bring out this new Zeitgeist 1 "directors cut", You can bet your ass he is going to include more 911 crap, I just wonder if it will be anything new or if he will take anything out. I also REALLY hope he does bring out this 300 page source guide thing I keep hearing out. I'd love to show that his sources are based on absolute crap, I think many truther's I talked to on there assume its based on something real because he has a big list on his website and Peter wouldn't lie to them... would he? And even though I debunked so much on their forums I still get the feeling they give him the benefit of doubt. I would be so happy to go through it and point out exactly where Peter is lying or too ignorant to be trusted. I'm sure Edward would with Part 1 section too.

/lurk/

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EdPosted: Apr 26, 2010 - 05:00
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Btw @Edward:

I think you should respond to the federal reserve claims he made in that thread. He is saying that there are no errors in that section and that Modern Money Mechanics is an official document therefore everything he is saying is correct.

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Edward L WinstonPosted: Apr 26, 2010 - 05:07
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President Dwayne Elizondo Mountain Dew Herbert Camacho: porn star and five-time ultimate smackdown wrestling champion!

Level: 150
CS Original

I never argue against Modern Money Mechanics, I used it, he obviously didn't. I already stated my points in both articles. PJ isn't the first person to claim that I either said MMM didn't exist or that I was somehow saying it was wrong, I've said neither.

I don't know what he's hoping to gain with his "directors cut" -- wasn't he already the director? -- or with his 300 page Acharya S monstrosity, he's already peaked in the amount of people who are willing to be both truthers and anti-religious "astrotheologians" or whatever they want to call themselves.

Most conspiracy theorists are on the right, most are also religious (for example Danny, Casey, and many others that have come through here), there's no way further promotion of this is going to help his case. I also thought the movies *weren't* the movement, so why the hell is he remaking it? Isn't this all mixed signals? Why is he making a third with the same name? I know, he's "responded" to this questions, but in his typical dance-a-thon way.

He's just trying to save face and save a sinking ship. I'm just happy his organization doesn't exist too much in the real world, so when it implodes, it won't hurt too many peoples lives. I also know this will likely be the final blow to the Venus Project, and I've come to accept that as well, that the project is pretty much over with.

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EdPosted: Apr 26, 2010 - 05:14
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Well personally I'd post a rebuttal anyway even if its just stating that.

Oh I also forgot to mention before, I love how he complains about being called Conspiracy Theorists and yet when he banned me said that conspiracy theories were and always have been the number one reason people join the Movement and that therefore how can Zeitgeist 1 be bad?

I mean seriously it sounds like I am making that up, but as with all these guys (like truthers, Creationists etc) you really don't need to when they say stuff as stupid as that.

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Edward L WinstonPosted: Apr 26, 2010 - 05:22
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President Dwayne Elizondo Mountain Dew Herbert Camacho: porn star and five-time ultimate smackdown wrestling champion!

Level: 150
CS Original

>> Unless he intends to debunk the feds own documents, i think not.

That's not even remotely true:

http://conspiracyscience.com/articles/zeitgeist-addendum/part-one/page/2/</p>

I talk about Modern Money Mechanics and how his explanation of how bonds are purchased is wrong, and Modern Money Mechanics doesn't explain it that way, he does.

I don't understand why, someone who opposes capitalism anyway, gives a shit about the Federal Reserve and how "bad" it is. The only reason he argued any of that stuff to begin with is because he was a Paultard and that's a part of the ideology. If he were just a regular TVP+Conspiracy Theorist, he'd talk about capitalism as a whole. This is just one of those topics he can't abandon because, like Eric said, it would mean he was possibly wrong, and he just can't have that -- or in some cases, having something he said be irrelevant and not profound [FRS vs Capitalism], he has to be interesting at all times.

I've known many, many anti-capitalist conspiracy theorists, especially when they blew up during the George W Bush era, but pretty much none cared about FRS, because that was a part of capitalism, and despite what Peter claims, people don't have jobs to pay off "debt" they have jobs to make money to feed their families, this has been true since the rise of pre-capitalism, long before central banking.

The Federal Reserve is just a single issue within the entire system of capitalism, and not even the biggest one, as I said, he only cares about it because he was a Paultard, no other anti-capitalist CTs give a shit.

It'd be like going out of your way to oppose Democratic Centralism, when your real battle is against Marxism-Leninism. It doesn't make a bit of sense.

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